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Monday, 31 August 2015

[amakurunamateka] FW: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe

 

Dear Ugandans that is a new discovery of lifestyle in that great Africa. Even sir Kagame of Rwanda that you know very well is said another-like-Jesus God sent to Rwandans!

Yes, we should accept that Africans are on way to western countries because of our very poor leadership that misuses everything;  and then western crooks/narcissic people take the opportunity to bring in weapons and wars so they fetch resources and establish their influence easily. Simply as that sir/madam.


Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:03:35 +0000
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
CC: Mwananchi@yahoogroups.com; UGANDACOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe

EM:
True to what you said. I have traveled to Israel numerous times (work related). Man this guys are hard working, it reminded me of the time when  I was working in  finance New York City (NYC). Everyday is something new. But our Uganda (Africa) will not advance. Just look at some of the politicians talking. Didn't the Deputy speaker equate M7 to Jesus?.  It is the culture we have. If we just change a little bit of our culture may be there is going to be hope. Otherwise I am not hopeful.

-Chaka





On Friday, August 28, 2015 9:03 AM, 'Simon Okurut' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:




Edward Mulindwa!!!

" Muammar Abu Meniar el-Gaddafi was born in the North African desert, south of Sirte, Libya, in 1942 (the exact date is unknown; some sources day June 1, while others say sometime in September). The son of a poor Bedouin nomad, Gaddafi lived in his family's remote desert camp until he went away to school at age 9.

While a student at a secondary school at Sebha, Gaddafi was inspired by the speeches of Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser and became a committed Arab nationalist. Gaddafi organized his fellow students into revolutionary study groups at Sebha; he continued the practice at the University of Libya in Tripoli, where he received a history degree in 1963. Following his graduation, Gaddafi entered the Libyan Military Academy in Benghazi, where he found many of the cadets were sympathetic to his anti-Western nationalism."

Peter Simon
From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Cc: Mwananchi@yahoogroups.com; UGANDACOM@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe

Akim Odong
 
Many times people make statements and degree holders simply ignore them flatly. The European immigration crisis reminds me a statement from a man that was made by a none degree holder, and his name was Gadhafi, he told the Europeans that if you dare remove me from power, I will send the sea of death to Europe. He made that statement while in South Africa. Europeans laughed him off as a mad man that needs to go. They removed him from power and threw his body into a freezer as chicken. Just yesterday a truck full of dead people was found in Austria. You never saw this happening in Europe when Gadhafi was in power. Has he started to send a sea of dead people to Europe?   Just asking !!!!!!! Europe better start to take/embrace the immigration crisis with the seriousness it deserves for it is a  problem here that is not going to go away with EU meetings.
 
And at this rate some of us now need Assad to go as well,  let us fuck this thing really nice when we are at it.
 
EM
On the 49th Parallel          
                 Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
                    Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko
 
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:17 AM
To: 'kaliro45' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe
 
Mulindwa;
 
Material is not worth it. What is being lost is human resources, human brain and body like yours and many others. What is left behind is is only represented by what one see of Uganda and many other third world entities. All the smart brains are leaving the country to plough their trade elsewhere. That is the concern. 
 
 
Akim

Tolerance is a stage in civilisation!
 
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca> wrote:
Peter Simon
 
What is being stolen today was not left by colonialists, we are borrowing it from colonialists then steal it. We are sadly stealing from ourselves, our children and grand grandchildren.
 
Africa has a very sad story indeed
 
EM
On the 49th Parallel          
                 Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
                    Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 7:36 PM
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe
 
Edward Mulindwa,
 
Thanks for the info. Yes, we can demand reparations be paid but we need real footwork. That tiny country called Israel is tiny in geographical size but extremely larger than life in other aspects, especially in resilience, innovation and unity; whether one is in Israel, USA, Europe, Russia etc, one is an Israeli and works for the success of their tiny nation.
 
Let us not even think of Africa but just look at Uganda; when Israelis built Nakasongola Air Base, they carried excavated soil to their country on which fruits are growing. For us Ugandans, we define ourselves by the regime in power and use that advantage to discriminate against those unfortunate to be outside the power house. 
 
Every successive regime we have had the misfortune to be under has bashed us hard and proper resulting in others uniting to remove it before embarking on their divisive lifestyles. We only partially unite to remove a regime we think was bad but even before the dust settles, we go back to where we are good at,i.e. hate of those others that belong to other groups. So, before we  think of recovering the stolen wealth from Europe, let us test ourselves by recovering  what we have stolen from one another, it is within Uganda, can we start from here?
 
I am not discouraging anyone who wants to recover those stolen assets, for me I rather focus on developing and harnessing what they left, if I can work smartly to avail Ugandans with skills in education, community development, applied technology, health management and conflict resolution, I think that will be a better contribution than spending my energy on recovering what was stolen from that far. Others can do that, we can divide ourselves into groups each to where he/she can contribute best.
 
Yours is a good project, go ahead with it as I focus on a narrow path of community development using the few available resources.
 
Regards
 
Peter Simon
From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe
 
Peter Simon Okurut
 
The figure of 45% is a figure I feel is fair, it is very debatable and it is not crafted into a stone, but this needs to be an African discussion, on our local radio stations, in our forums and in our governments. Africa remains the only continent where you go and loot everything you want and move on to laugh, as The Boers are laughing their heads off today, smoking a cigar on a beach. When it becomes a continental discussion we all can agree on the percentage. Lastly the system to use to recover, is the very same system that has been used by The Israelis to be paid for the holocaust.
 
If a tiny country as Israel can do it why not an entire continent?
 
EM
On the 49th Parallel          
                 Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
                    Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
 
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:48 AM
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe
 
Edward Mulindwa,
 
Could you please explain how you arrived at the 45% refund of our assets from thieves and what mechanism you can apply to talk to the thieves to recover that amount and be specific if you can manage.
 
Peter Simon
 
From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: RE: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe
 
Peter Simon Okurut
 
Here is the larger problem of Africa. We spend zillions of time on none issues, and fail to follow up on major issues. Sit in UAH and only read the times Ugandans complain on Museveni has stolen money out of Uganda. But realistically how much money do you think Museveni has stolen? That man can very easily die a poor man, and here is my challenge to you, if I was Museveni today I would ask Ugandans how much money they think I have stolen and I would cut them a cheque, do you think that money would change Uganda let alone Africa? And the answer is no for it is chicken feed for real. But Ugandans have spent their entire lifetime lamenting on it, when they do not even know the amount let alone care to put a figure on it.
Peter this is what critical thinkers do if Africa had just one. We would compile all the  degree Africa has and find out actually how much money the Boers stole out of South Africa. We would go after them and ask only for a 45% refund. That would be a nice chunk of money to be reinvested into Africa for it was stolen in Africa. Instead of going after The Boers we go after Museveni and by pass the Boers. The British spent years looting Africa, they built massive safes in UK where they store gold stolen out of Africa. Peter we need to find the value of that gold, and ask for only 45% to be reinvested into Africa. We have left the British and we are going after Museveni who has chicken feed. A larger economy of North America and Europe was built through making Africans slaves. Africa has so many degrees to sit in a single room and put a monetary value on that slave trade, we go after these countries and we ask for only 45% to be reinvested into Africa. UK is today sucking Libya dry, they have been sucking South Sudan all along as the Janjaweed war has been rampaging the land, they are looting Tunisia, entire Middle East but Israel, France now owns Chad and CAR. We need a monetary value on all these loots then demand for a 45% return of those funds to be reinvested back into the continent.
We used to dig copper in Kilembe, send it to Jinja by train then smelt it. The factory in Jinja was leaving that copper at 85% purity. The best you can push copper is 95% so we were sending it to UK through Mombasa to be cleansed from 85% to the 95%  we were denied the tools to do the last 10%. The British them turned around and set the price of our copper for they pushed it the 10%. Peter just how much money did The British make out of our copper? We need a refund of 45% back to Uganda. That is a sum we need to go than crying Museveni is looting the country. We need a  new thinking and Africa degrees need to wake up and make intelligent argument for the continent than going after Museveni.
 
When an African fights or opposes Africans immigrating to where our resources are ending up and always, that African is voting for a war with Iran
 
EM
On the 49th Parallel          
                 Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
                    Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
 
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 7:05 PM
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe
 
Herr Edward Mulindwa,
 
To be honest, other than what I get from immigration work and studies in which people claim to be fleeing bad governance that impinges on their human rights, wars, religious persecutions and/or political abuses,   I cannot claim to know why all Africans  go to Europe or America. May be you have conducted a research, I willing to learn more. 
 
Without going personal, if you don't mind, are you also following the resources that Canada stole from Uganda, and how much have you recovered so far? You are not obliged to answer but you can do so if you are comfortable answering.
 
Peter Simon
 
From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe
 
Peter Simon
 
On our back out of East Africa we were held in Nairobi for 4 hours for there were 8 cargo planes out of DRC heading to both UK and France. These are daily flights through Krnya Uganda Rwanda and many times DRC, these ones had to land in Nairobi to refuel. Do you know how many Congolese have died to today? 8 million and that is a UN number that has been standing on its website now for 14 months. How much money has UK and France stolen out of DRC to today?

And you think it is criminal for Congolese to follow it up? Is tha the reasoning here sir?
 
EM
On the 49th Parallel          
                 Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
                    Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
 
 
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:27 PM
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe
 
Herr Edward Mulindwa,
 
This is an interesting observation which someone can easily buy. But seriously, is that  why our people run to Europe, to follow the resources that were looted? I think that kind of approach encourages our leaders to continue with their poor governance, ignore innovation, research and development all of which are necessary for resource development which would address many challenges the continent and other developing countries face.
 
Edward, Africa has still many resources that the Europeans did not have enough time to loot. Let us take Uganda for example; we have several fresh water lakes (Victoria, Kyoga,) to mention just a few; tell me about water consumption in the country, are our people well served with safe water? How much water did the British take away from Uganda during their colonial rule? What is curtailing adequate water use in Uganda?
 
I strongly argue that we are just using foreigners as scapegoats to cover our weaknesses and failure. It is easier to blame an outsider for your own failures when the problem lies within. Have you wondered why to date most vocal African leaders have not commented on the refugee influx to Europe issue, even our journalists like Mwenda and Hajji Ahmed Kateregga do not ask those leaders when they meet, Ahmed is concerned with his Makindye Municipality, praying only so that he becomes MP to serve people who get very little water yet they are surrounded by L.Victoria.
 
No, those people are fleeing poor governance which has failed all kinds of development.
 
Peter Simon
 
From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe
 
Whenever I read these reports I remain wondering why European countries are that slow. When you go to a continent  and loot it to its roots, the citizens of those countries have a Godly right to follow the wealth you have stolen out of their countries. There are countries like France and UK that simply cannot survive if Africa is blocked off them, how do they expect nationals of those countries to survive? So keep on flying the wealth out of Africa and Africans will follow up on it. Just a simple mathematics.
 
And any African debating this issue without raising the millions these countries loot out of Africa, he is voting for war with Iran.
 
EM
On the 49th Parallel          
                 Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
                    Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
 
 
 
 
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robukui .
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:21 AM
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com; ugandans-at-heart2@googlegroups.com; John L <kaygigs@gmail.com>
Subject: {UAH} African refugee influx to Europe
 
African refugee influx to Europe
Thousands of Africans are undertaking the perilous journey across the Mediterranean in pursuit of a better life. We take a look at their countries of origin and reasons for their flight.
Africa's most populous country and leading oil producer. For the first time in the country's history, an opposition candidate—Mohammadou Buhari - won presidential elections in March 2015. Nevertheless the country is under threat from Boko Haram militant group, which is conducting an insurrection in the mainly Muslim north. To fight Boko Haram, Nigeria has formed a military coalition with its neighbors Chad, Cameroon and Niger. The country also experiences constant ethnic and religious conflicts. As a result more and more Nigerians are fleeing the country and risking their lives while attempting to cross the Mediterranean Sea. As of June 2015, the number had more than doubled from 3,311 in 2014 to 7,897. In addition to insecurity, some Nigerians are leaving the country because of economic hardships resulting from a growing gap between the rich and the poor. Despite being Africa's biggest oil producer, more than half of Nigeria's population lives in poverty.
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