Dear Mulindwa and mates, we follow your discussion with a mixture of pleasure and sadness as it recall us the Hutu-Tutsi history in Rwanda. You are Ugandan at same time African. You laid very pathetic words with that ''history of Amin against Acholi and Langi tribes..., Obote's boat transporting Acholi's and Langi's to Tanzania..., belief of a state of Acholi that Iddi Amin crossed the border to simply attack...''.
Yes this kind of trick and fraud exploited by some people in Africa is real sir. That is one of the major reasons Africa will always be under the boot of foreigners for development and peace as you cannot have a united Africa while tribes are hunting each other unjustly!
But we are very amazed and surprised with your concluding sentence saying : ''Now I am done with it. It is the first time I am seeing people creating a baby and running from it. Mulindwa''
How can it be it is only now you are seeing such a behaviour? Where were you when this started in Rwanda neighbouring Uganda from 1990-1994? Were you in impossibility to read the historic dissertations of Prof M. Mamdani entitled: ''When victims became killers"? Or maybe you closed your eyes as it was not a Uganda problem, but that of Rwandese carrying the baby born in Uganda with its stinking drops?
> From: mulindwa@look.ca
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: {UAH} THIS IS WHY ACHOLIS LOST BALLS TO SUE IDDI AMIN. Let's remember that even Mubarak was cleared too
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:35:14 -0500
>
> Ingram Kampe
>
> With all due respect sir I have preached against generalization in these forums way longer than you joined them, here is the difference this time around and I have a very good history about the period I am talking about because I was born. When you go back to Iddi Amin's time from the day he took power 25 January 1971, Ugandans did not oppose him, the people that opposed him were Acholi's and Langis. From exactly day one. In all reports they made about him they never actually said that he was killing Ugandans they said Amin was murdering Acholi's and Langis. When you read Amnesty International reports of early 70's reports, Amnesty writes for it interviews the people, they state that Amin attacked and killed Acholi's and Langis. When you read all international papers like Globe And Mail, Toronto Star, The Independent of London, Xinhua, Tass and only read about Uganda in the 70's, all reports they posted were about Amin murdering Acholi's and Langis. When you read researched notes on Uganda all state that Amin murdered Langis and Acholi's. When you read in the history of UAH, all reports and complaints filled by Langis and Acholi's in this forum, they never state that Amin was murdering Ugandans they actually state that Amin was murdering Acholi's and Langis. George Okello himself, Edward Pojim, we had another kid from the north that has somehow these days stopped to post, all state that Amin committed atrocities in the Acholi land and that is why they justify the recruiting of Acholi's and sending them to Tanzania. George Okello himself said that this own father was recruiting them from his own bed room, his bed room is not in Nakaseke sir. The term was started and massively used by Acholi's and Langis to gain sympathy at home and at the international community. And so they did.
>
> When Ocen Nekyon decided to justify how terrible Amin was he listed the names of those that were murdered by Amin, most of whom were soldiers the highest number Nekyon posted was of Acholi's and Langis. Transportations of Ugandans from South Sudan to Tanzania through Panya roads was made by Acholi's and Langis. In fact if you read the history of how tough they had to go through to reach Tanzania, a story is told of every one failing to cross them, and Obote himself crossed them on a boat and it was a very tough journey. No one on that boat was a Muganda. There are Ugandans of other tribes that tried to go Tanzania and tried to live in the camp of Ugandans, Acholi's and Langis gave them a tough time for they never needed them, and some actually ended up leaving for Kenya and remaining in Kenya for the base of Tanzania refugees was only for Acholi's and Langis, and I have some good friends that tried to live with them in that camp and their own lives were threatened.
>
> And look Ingram, yes we have a hard time understanding Uganda history for all these details are never put on record, for some very unknown reason no one is allowed to speak about what happened from 1971 forward for such a discussion must be sealed, but there are people with a very sad tell on how Acholi's treated them in Tanzania and they are still alive to today. When you walk streets like of this city, people actually believe that there is a state in Africa called Acholi, and that is because everything they read about Iddi Amin is that he attacked and murdered Acholi's, so to some Canadians and many other nationalists out there believe that actually there is a state of Acholi and Iddi Amin crossed their boarder and simply attacked it. That is how massively Acholi's sought and built sympathy against Amin. So in as much as we can argue against the term Acholi's and Langis, they created it and built its base, they used it and succeeded into over throwing a Uganda government.
>
> My writings is only to go under that organization and scrutinize how it functioned, what damage did it do? What did it accomplish but how did it fail. And that is very important for the rest of Ugandans especially those that are young and were not born at a time. Lastly Kampe if Acholi's decided to drive army trucks from Kampala to Gulu and over threw the Obote two government, why is it a problem to investigate the actions they did when enroot to Gulu? Should Acholi's drive to Gulu and over throw the Obote two government but we turn around and investigate Bakiga ? I have lost time explaining this issue many times and this is the last time I am burning gas about it, for this is the same issue I have already explained to Mike pOcure but he decided to unpack it and question it the other way twisted around. Now I am done with it. It is the first time I am seeing people creating a baby and running from it.
>
> Good morning.
>
> EM
> On the 49th Parallel
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 3:53 AM
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: {UAH} THIS IS WHY ACHOLIS LOST BALLS TO SUE IDDI AMIN. Let's remember that even Mubarak was cleared too
>
> Abbey Ssemuwemba-you should reign in Mulindwa and advise him to stop attacking Acholis as a group. The little support I had for him was because those who accused him of attacking a certain ethnic group were themselves doing it-eg-there was a tendency to attack Baganda,Tutsis,Bahororo,Bahima and generally lump the whole ethnic group (tribe) into one and consequently blame them as a collective of what happened or is happening in our motherland,Uganda. Some of my good friends and respectable individuals are Acholis- the ones I went to school with-Benon Onek-we were both very brave individuals and at one point we almost caused a riot bcz of our opposition to the Headmasters dictatorship. There are many other wonderful people-The late Ali Kiseka-my schoolmate,we kept in touch even after I had left the country. When I went to Ghana for my Masters degree, whom do I meet and we became buddies-James Okullo. A consummate diplomat.Mulindwa Stop and the moderator please make him stop.
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 12/1/14, Gwokto La'Kitgum <lakitgum@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: {UAH} THIS IS WHY ACHOLIS LOST BALLS TO SUE IDDI AMIN. Let's remember that even Mubarak was cleared too
> To: "ugandans-at-heart" <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
> Received: Monday, December 1, 2014, 8:14 AM
>
> Stupid.
>
>
> ___________________________________Gwokto
> La'Kitgum"Even a
> small dog can piss on a tall Building", Jim Hightower
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at
> 10:01 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
> wrote:
> Egypt
> court finds Mubarak sons and former prime minister not guiltyAn Egyptian court has acquitted two sons of ousted president Hosni Mubarak and his former prime minister Ahmed Shafiq on corruption charges. This paves the way for Shafiq to return to the country from self-imposed exile.
> The Cario
> criminal court handed down not guilty verdicts in the corruption case against former prime minister Ahmed Shafiq and Alaa and Gamal Mubarak (pictured above with their father, seated).Prosecutors had accused Shafiq of selling four hectares of state-owned land to Mabarak's sons in 1995 at a price well below market value.The Mubaraks appeared at the court session, held in a makeshift courtroom in the Police Academy on the outskirts of Cario.
> Shafiq was tried in absentia after fleeing to the United Arab Emirates shortly after losing the 2012 presidential election to Islamist Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood."The acquittal ruling vindicates my honor," independent newspaper al-Masry al-Yourn quoted Shafiq as saying following Thursday's ruling. He reportedly also said he would return to Egypt.Security officers stationed at Cario airport, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the ruling repealed instructions that Shafiq must be arrested upon entry to the country.It is not clear if Shafiq will resume his role in politics, should he return to Egypt.Alaa and Gamal Mubarak, along with their father, are being tried on other corruption charges. They have been detained since April 2011, two months after the former president resigned during an uprising against his 29-year rule.Egypt's former president was initially sentenced to life imprisonment for failing to put an end to the killing of protestors during the 2011 uprising. But, an appeal saw him acquitted. He is now being re-tried on those charges.jlw/ipj (AP, AFP, Reuters) EMOn the 49th Parallel Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa
> Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
>
>
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> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: {UAH} THIS IS WHY ACHOLIS LOST BALLS TO SUE IDDI AMIN. Let's remember that even Mubarak was cleared too
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:35:14 -0500
>
> Ingram Kampe
>
> With all due respect sir I have preached against generalization in these forums way longer than you joined them, here is the difference this time around and I have a very good history about the period I am talking about because I was born. When you go back to Iddi Amin's time from the day he took power 25 January 1971, Ugandans did not oppose him, the people that opposed him were Acholi's and Langis. From exactly day one. In all reports they made about him they never actually said that he was killing Ugandans they said Amin was murdering Acholi's and Langis. When you read Amnesty International reports of early 70's reports, Amnesty writes for it interviews the people, they state that Amin attacked and killed Acholi's and Langis. When you read all international papers like Globe And Mail, Toronto Star, The Independent of London, Xinhua, Tass and only read about Uganda in the 70's, all reports they posted were about Amin murdering Acholi's and Langis. When you read researched notes on Uganda all state that Amin murdered Langis and Acholi's. When you read in the history of UAH, all reports and complaints filled by Langis and Acholi's in this forum, they never state that Amin was murdering Ugandans they actually state that Amin was murdering Acholi's and Langis. George Okello himself, Edward Pojim, we had another kid from the north that has somehow these days stopped to post, all state that Amin committed atrocities in the Acholi land and that is why they justify the recruiting of Acholi's and sending them to Tanzania. George Okello himself said that this own father was recruiting them from his own bed room, his bed room is not in Nakaseke sir. The term was started and massively used by Acholi's and Langis to gain sympathy at home and at the international community. And so they did.
>
> When Ocen Nekyon decided to justify how terrible Amin was he listed the names of those that were murdered by Amin, most of whom were soldiers the highest number Nekyon posted was of Acholi's and Langis. Transportations of Ugandans from South Sudan to Tanzania through Panya roads was made by Acholi's and Langis. In fact if you read the history of how tough they had to go through to reach Tanzania, a story is told of every one failing to cross them, and Obote himself crossed them on a boat and it was a very tough journey. No one on that boat was a Muganda. There are Ugandans of other tribes that tried to go Tanzania and tried to live in the camp of Ugandans, Acholi's and Langis gave them a tough time for they never needed them, and some actually ended up leaving for Kenya and remaining in Kenya for the base of Tanzania refugees was only for Acholi's and Langis, and I have some good friends that tried to live with them in that camp and their own lives were threatened.
>
> And look Ingram, yes we have a hard time understanding Uganda history for all these details are never put on record, for some very unknown reason no one is allowed to speak about what happened from 1971 forward for such a discussion must be sealed, but there are people with a very sad tell on how Acholi's treated them in Tanzania and they are still alive to today. When you walk streets like of this city, people actually believe that there is a state in Africa called Acholi, and that is because everything they read about Iddi Amin is that he attacked and murdered Acholi's, so to some Canadians and many other nationalists out there believe that actually there is a state of Acholi and Iddi Amin crossed their boarder and simply attacked it. That is how massively Acholi's sought and built sympathy against Amin. So in as much as we can argue against the term Acholi's and Langis, they created it and built its base, they used it and succeeded into over throwing a Uganda government.
>
> My writings is only to go under that organization and scrutinize how it functioned, what damage did it do? What did it accomplish but how did it fail. And that is very important for the rest of Ugandans especially those that are young and were not born at a time. Lastly Kampe if Acholi's decided to drive army trucks from Kampala to Gulu and over threw the Obote two government, why is it a problem to investigate the actions they did when enroot to Gulu? Should Acholi's drive to Gulu and over throw the Obote two government but we turn around and investigate Bakiga ? I have lost time explaining this issue many times and this is the last time I am burning gas about it, for this is the same issue I have already explained to Mike pOcure but he decided to unpack it and question it the other way twisted around. Now I am done with it. It is the first time I am seeing people creating a baby and running from it.
>
> Good morning.
>
> EM
> On the 49th Parallel
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 3:53 AM
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: {UAH} THIS IS WHY ACHOLIS LOST BALLS TO SUE IDDI AMIN. Let's remember that even Mubarak was cleared too
>
> Abbey Ssemuwemba-you should reign in Mulindwa and advise him to stop attacking Acholis as a group. The little support I had for him was because those who accused him of attacking a certain ethnic group were themselves doing it-eg-there was a tendency to attack Baganda,Tutsis,Bahororo,Bahima and generally lump the whole ethnic group (tribe) into one and consequently blame them as a collective of what happened or is happening in our motherland,Uganda. Some of my good friends and respectable individuals are Acholis- the ones I went to school with-Benon Onek-we were both very brave individuals and at one point we almost caused a riot bcz of our opposition to the Headmasters dictatorship. There are many other wonderful people-The late Ali Kiseka-my schoolmate,we kept in touch even after I had left the country. When I went to Ghana for my Masters degree, whom do I meet and we became buddies-James Okullo. A consummate diplomat.Mulindwa Stop and the moderator please make him stop.
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 12/1/14, Gwokto La'Kitgum <lakitgum@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: {UAH} THIS IS WHY ACHOLIS LOST BALLS TO SUE IDDI AMIN. Let's remember that even Mubarak was cleared too
> To: "ugandans-at-heart" <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
> Received: Monday, December 1, 2014, 8:14 AM
>
> Stupid.
>
>
> ___________________________________Gwokto
> La'Kitgum"Even a
> small dog can piss on a tall Building", Jim Hightower
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at
> 10:01 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
> wrote:
> Egypt
> court finds Mubarak sons and former prime minister not guiltyAn Egyptian court has acquitted two sons of ousted president Hosni Mubarak and his former prime minister Ahmed Shafiq on corruption charges. This paves the way for Shafiq to return to the country from self-imposed exile.
> The Cario
> criminal court handed down not guilty verdicts in the corruption case against former prime minister Ahmed Shafiq and Alaa and Gamal Mubarak (pictured above with their father, seated).Prosecutors had accused Shafiq of selling four hectares of state-owned land to Mabarak's sons in 1995 at a price well below market value.The Mubaraks appeared at the court session, held in a makeshift courtroom in the Police Academy on the outskirts of Cario.
> Shafiq was tried in absentia after fleeing to the United Arab Emirates shortly after losing the 2012 presidential election to Islamist Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood."The acquittal ruling vindicates my honor," independent newspaper al-Masry al-Yourn quoted Shafiq as saying following Thursday's ruling. He reportedly also said he would return to Egypt.Security officers stationed at Cario airport, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the ruling repealed instructions that Shafiq must be arrested upon entry to the country.It is not clear if Shafiq will resume his role in politics, should he return to Egypt.Alaa and Gamal Mubarak, along with their father, are being tried on other corruption charges. They have been detained since April 2011, two months after the former president resigned during an uprising against his 29-year rule.Egypt's former president was initially sentenced to life imprisonment for failing to put an end to the killing of protestors during the 2011 uprising. But, an appeal saw him acquitted. He is now being re-tried on those charges.jlw/ipj (AP, AFP, Reuters) EMOn the 49th Parallel Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa
> Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
>
>
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>
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>
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