U Rwanda rwaragowe koko!! Kugira umuntu nka Rutihunza uvuga ko yari muri droit de l'homme rwari bubure gusenyuka gute? Rutihunza, reka tukwigishe uko banenga ibitekerezo. Iyo banega igitekerezo bafata inyandiko ugaya ukerekana ibyo ugaya hanyuma ugatanga uko byari bikwiriye kumera. Kuza kumbuga uririmba uterekana ibyo unenga ntabwo ari ubwenge bukuranga nk'umuntu ukuze.
Kuvuga ngo bibagirwe iby'ubwicanyi bwabaye n'imanza zitaraba biteye isoni kumuntu nkaweuvuga ko uri droit de l'homme. Ubwo se ahubwo uwagusubizaho warengera bangahe ? Ese organisation yawe ukiyiyobora yarengeye bangahe? Wigeze wamagana genocide hutu ukiri umuyobozi wa Liprodhor mu Rwanda? Ko ntacyo wigeze uvuga se uravuga iki kuri ubu? Ubwo urumva hari n'ukwiriye kugutega amatwi kandi iyo ubonye wirira ukiryamira bamara kugusenyera imbehe hejuru ukiruka.
Tanga amahoro kuko nawe uri mubasaziye ubusa kuko nta n'icyo uhindukaho n'igihe uhunze Kagame.
Ibyo wishyiramo abarwanya genocide irimo gukomeza kuba bizakugeza kure uzaba ureba. Nushaka ayo mazina uyavane mukanwa arakingiye.
Byaramenyekanye ko ufitanye ibibazo na Gasana mwagiranye mukiri mu Rwanda. Wizana izo nzangano zawe kuri Rutayisire Boniface. Sanga Gasana kandi nureba nabi arongera akwesure kuko arakurusha ubwenge n'imbaraga muri politiki.
Rutayisire Boniface umwibagirwe kuko akosora ibyo mwangije mwiyita droit de l'homme. Ibyo akora yamagana ibibi ntawe ajya arenganya. Icyo avuze agitangira ibisobanuro n'ibimenyetso. Uwo ashyize mumajwi yerekana impamvu kugirango ubwe yikosore cyangwa abandi bamukosore.
Ntarwango na rumwe rumukoresha. Nuramuka ukomeje kugendera kubanga kwikosora kandi babereka ukuri muzajyana mwese n'amateka.
Bwa mbere n'ubwa nyuma ntuzongere kuzana muri opposition urwango wagiranye na Gasana i Kigali. Ibyo ukora biragayitse cyane kumuntu nkawe.
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Le Lundi 29 décembre 2014 11h32, "theobald rutihunza rutihunzatheo@yahoo.fr [fondationbanyarwanda]" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :
Bwana Gasana n'agatsiko kawe
Histoire ya génocide n'ibisobanuro byayo wiha gutanga, woshya abayikoze n'abayikorewe kongera gukozanyaho izwi n'abanyarwanda bose kuko ntawe itakozeho.
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En date de : Dim 28.12.14, Samuel Desire sam4des@yahoo.com [fondationbanyarwanda] <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :
Objet: [fondationbanyarwanda] Re: [amakurunamateka.com] Re: [rwanda_revolution] Re: FPR ni igitebo cy'itotezabwoko n'umunuko w´ubwicanyi
À: "amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com" <amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com>, "rwanda_revolution@yahoogroups.com" <rwanda_revolution@yahoogroups.com>, "rwembe6030@yahoo.fr" <rwembe6030@yahoo.fr>, "urwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com" <urwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com>, "fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>, "fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroups.com" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>, "gasana31@gmail.com" <gasana31@gmail.com>
Cc: "itwagira@yahoo.fr" <itwagira@yahoo.fr>, "agnesmurebwayire@yahoo.fr" <agnesmurebwayire@yahoo.fr>
Date: Dimanche 28 décembre 2014, 15h35
Abo bose bashaka
kutugota mu bitekerezo nka ba Twagiramungu, ba Rwembe ,ba
Murebwayire n'abandi
barashaka imyanya ya Kagame nkuko byagenze kuri Evode.
N'abo bazavuga ko ntacyo
twandika , ko nta opposition iriho. Abanyarwanda ntabwo
bagitekereza kubera Kagame. Kagame afite ibinyamakuru byose
acunga, byirinda
kwandika ibibi bya politike ye. Natwe rero dukore
gutyo. Akongera agatanga
ruswa ayiha ibindi byandikawa n'abanyamahanga.
Ibyo ni za Jeune Afrique na
AllAfrica.com.
Abose bose barahembwa na Kagame.
Iyo rero mbona exces de zele z'abamwe baterura
inkuru z'ibyo binyamakuru bakabitugezaho kandi
banashaka discipline mu
byo twanditse kandi bakabikora badahembwa, nibaza icyo baba
bagamije
bikanyobera.
From: "Samuel
Desire sam4des@yahoo.com [amakurunamateka]"
<amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com>
To:
"rwanda_revolution@yahoogroups.com"
<rwanda_revolution@yahoogroups.com>;
"rwembe6030@yahoo.fr" <rwembe6030@yahoo.fr>;
"urwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com"
<urwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com>;
"fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr"
<fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>;
"fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroups.com"
<fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroups.com>;
"gasana31@gmail.com" <gasana31@gmail.com>;
"amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com"
<amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com>
Cc:
"itwagira@yahoo.fr" <itwagira@yahoo.fr>;
"agnesmurebwayire@yahoo.fr"
<agnesmurebwayire@yahoo.fr>
Sent: Sunday, 28
December 2014, 14:04
Subject:
[amakurunamateka.com] Re: [rwanda_revolution] Re: FPR ni
igitebo cy'itotezabwoko n'umunuko w´ubwicanyi
Rwembe,
Jye
ureka abantu bandike uko bashaka kuri za forums, ntabwo turi
abana ku buryo tutamenya uwanditse nabi n'utanditse
nabi. Ikindi kandi iyo ubona ko umuntu atandika
ibigushimishije, hari uburyo ushobora gukora ntiwongere
gusoma messages ze. Umushyira muri spam messages ze
ntizongere kukugeraho. Cyangwa se
ukazihanagura. Nta
discipline dukeneye kuri izi forums. Turakuze bihagije. Mu
Rwanda ntabwo Kagame yagota abantu mu bitekerezo natwe ababa
mu mahanga bikaba uko.Liste y'abo bantu ngo Gasana
yavuze ntabwo ari Imana. Niba Twagiramungu Innocent ari
Imana yawe, umusenge ukwawe ariko widuteka ngo natwe
tubikore. Afite groupe imwe nkuko hariho groupes nyinshi,
hari za blogs, za sites Internet, aho hose abanyarwanda bari
hanze bashobora kwisanzura. Mu Rwanda aho media zose
zicungwa na Kagame ntibishoboka. Ikindi
kandi usomye message ndende igeretse kuri messages zose
zoherezwa kuri DHR, hari aho Twagiramungu avuga
ati:"Les messages publiés sur
DHR n'engagent que la responsabilité de leurs
auteurs."
Akandi kazi Twagiramungu yiha ko kubahiriza discipline kuri
Forum gatandukanye n'ayo
mabwiriza.
Ni uko
amategeko ya Yahoo Groups nayo abivuga. Nuko n'izindi
social media zibivuga. Ingero ni uko iyo wanditse nabi kuri
Facebook par exemple usakaza messages za terrorisme cyangwa
ubwicanyi, ntabwo ari ucunga Facebook ukurikiranwa, ni
uwanditse iyo message ukurikiranwa, ni nayo mpamvu bakubaza
identite yawe iyo ugiye kwiyandiksha kuri social media,
kandi na ISP ishobora gutanga identite zawe ibiha services
de securite maze zikamenya uwo uriwe, ugakurikiranwa. Ibi
bireba securite gusa, ntabwo bireba gusebya umutegetsi
cyangwa abantu runaka kuko ibyo biri muri free speech social
media zishyigikiye. Nta
muntu uyobora Yahoo Group cyangwa izindi social media
wigeze abazwa ibyanditswe kuri groupe cyangwa social media
ayobora. Ibyo Twagiramungu akora n'abamushyigikiye
babyita exces de zele, ni ubwirasi hongeyeho nuko abikoresha
akora publicite ya social media afite ku giti cye zitagira
icyo zimumariye. Dore
message ndende ya Twagiramungu yongera kuri postings
zoherezwa kuri DHR uko iteye kandi ivanze mu ndi nyinshi.
Ibyakora n'ink'iby'abana bakora. Mu gihe
turwanya kuramya no gunenga ubutegetsi bwa Kagame , ahari
abaramya moderateur wa DHR n'abandi
bantu.
Ikindi
kandi nibutse ko atari twe cyangwa Innocent Twagiramungu
dushinzwe gutanga urugero muri discipline y'ibyo
twandika kurusha Kagame mu byo akora cyangwa avuga. Akenshi
twandika kuri Kagame duhereye ku byo avuga na politike ye.
Iyo rero Mushikiwabo yinubira ko twandika kuri Kagame,
nabanze abwire Kagame aceceke cyangwa se ajye avuga ibintu
bizima, byubaka, byumvikanisha abanyarwanda, areke
ironda-koko, areke apartheid. Abanyarwanda baba mu mahanga
bakoze uko bashoboye bashyiraho za ONG, bakora ibiganiro,
bakora amanama , bavuga kuri za Youtube n'ahandi,
bashaka ko guteza imbere reconciliation mu banyarwanda,
ariko ibyo byose Kagame yabikubye zero ahubwo we akomeza
imvugo y'urwangano n'izindi ideologies zirimo no
gusaba abahutu bose ko basaba imbabazi kubera ko ari
abicanyi.
Ngiyi
message ya Twagiramungu ihoraho yiyongera kuri za messages
mwohereza kuri DHR:UT UNUM
SINT
"L'extrémisme dans la
défense de la liberté n'est pas un vice; La
modération dans la poursuite de la justice n'est pas
une vertu".
"Extremism in the defense of
liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is
no virtue." (USA,Republican Convention 1964,Barry
Morris Goldwater (1909-1998)).
"Le monde ne sera pas
détruit par ceux qui font le mal mais par ceux qui
regardent et refusent d'agir", Albert EINSTEIN.
Les messages publiés sur DHR
n'engagent que la responsabilité de leurs auteurs.
CONSIDERATION, TOLERANCE,
PATIENCE AND MUTUAL RESPECT towards the reinforcement of
GOOD GOVERNANCE,DEMOCRACY and HUMAN RIGHTS in our states.
Liability and Responsibility: You
are legally responsible, and solely responsible, for any
content that you post to DHR. You may only post materials
that you have the right or permission to distribute
electronically. The owner of DHR cannot and does not
guarantee the accuracy of any statements made in or
materials posted to the group by participants.
" BE NICE TO PEOPLE ON YOUR
WAY UP, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT MEET THEM ON YOUR WAY DOWN."
Jimmy DURANTE.
COMBATTONS la haine SANS
complaisance, PARTOUT et avec Toute ENERGIE!!!!!!
Let's rather
prefer Peace, Love , Hope and Life, and get together as
one!!! Inno TWAGIRA
get together as one!!! Inno
TWAGIRA
ALLER SUR VOTRE
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Subject: Fw: *DHR* Re:
FPR ni igitebo cy'itotezabwoko n'umunuko
w´ubwicanyi
On Sunday, 28 December 2014, 10:13,
"Rwembe Charlie rwembe6030@yahoo.fr
[Democracy_Human_Rights]"
<Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:
Gasana,uyu muntu
wiyita lupourvous ukora bya character assassination ku bantu
hafi ya bose nka JMV Ndagijimana, Twagiramungu Faustin,
Innocent Twagiramungu moderateur wa DHR n'abandi,
franchement kumusubiza bivuga ko usangiye nawe ibyiyumviro.
Nzi ko urwanya character assassination uko isa kose naho
yaba iturutse hose. Biratangaje kubona uha umwanya uyu muntu
usenya, usebya kandi abeshya, agamije gusa gusebya abandi
kuko yenda badahuje nawe imyumvire. Sigaho rwose, wari umaze
kugarura ubuyanja ku basomyi ba DHR, ariko guha attention
uyu lupourvous ntabwo bikuzamura...
Le Samedi 27 décembre 2014 6h01,
"Anastase Gasana gasana31@gmail.com
[Democracy_Human_Rights]"
<Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :
BASOMYI BANDITSI,Ndagirango nsubize ibibazo cya LU POUR VOUS
yabajije kuri uru rubuga:1. Ubuhezanguni bwashenye u Rwanda kuva rwabaho
kugeza uyu munsi bushingira kw'ivangurabwoko,
ivangurakarere cyangwa irondakarere,
n'irondakazu(nepotisme).2. u Rwanda ruheruka amahoro arambye hagati
y'abahutu n'abatutsi kera cyane ku ngoma
y'abami b'abahutu kuko bakiriye abatutsi mu gihugu
batabarwanije(nkuko nabo baza mu gihugu abatwa bahasanze
batabarwanije). IkIbazo cy'abahutu n'abatutsi
cyatangiye ubwo abami b'abatutsi bafashe umugambi
mubisha wo guca abami bagenzi babo b'abahutu inyuma
bakabagabaho ibitero byo kubica bakabashahura amabya
bakayambika ingoma yabo Kalinga. Kuva icyo gihe kugera mu
1959 imvugo yakoreshwaga icyo gihe yari ngo "KALINGA
ITAMIRIJE IBINYITA". Dore uko abahezanguni
b'abatutsi, abatware 12 b'i Bwami kwa Rudahigwa
babyaditse mw'ibaruwa yabo yo kuya 17/5/1957 basubiza
ibaruwa ya Kayibanda na bagenzi bari baranditse ku ya
24/03/1957 kandi Umwmi Rudahigwa ntagire icyo abikoraho:
"L'histoire dit que Ruganzu a tue beacoup de
Bahinza(roitelets). Lui et les autres de nos rois ont tue
des Bahinza et ont ainsi conquis les pays des Bahutu
don't ces Bahinza etaient rois. On en trouve tout le
detail dans l'Inganji Kalinga. Puisque donc nos rois ont
conquis les pays des Bahutu en tuant leurs roitelets et ont
ainsi asservi les Bahutu, comment maintenant ceux-ci
peuvent-ils pretender etre nos frees?(Nous grands bagaragu
de l' Ibwami), barangije barasinya bose(CRISP
Bruxelles:Rwanda Politique 1958-1960,
pages35-36).3. Umwami Kigeli wasimbuye mukuru we Rudahigwa nawe
niko byagenze, ntiyabaye umwami w'abanyarwanda bose.
Nawe yiherereranywe n'abatutsi b'abahezanguni maze
mu 1960 yanga gushyiraho guverinoma yo gukiza igihugu
yasabwe icyo gihe n'amashyaka 4 arimo abatutsi
n'abahutu ariyo: Parti du Mouvement de
l'Emancipation Hutu, UNAR, RADER na APROSOMA, Gerigori
Kayibanda akaba ari we wagombaga kumubera Minisitiri
w'Intebe kandi we n'ishyaka rye PARMEHUTU bari
babyemeye. Abatutsi b'abahezanguni batashaka isangira
ry'ubutegetsi hagati yabo n'abahutu ni bo babyishe,
umwami Kigeli V nawe arabyemera kuko yari kumwe
nabo.4. Ku ngoma ya perezida Kayibanda, abahezanguni
b'abahutu nabo banze gufatanya no gusangira
ubutegetsi n'abatutsi moderes bari bayobowe
n'igikomangoma umutware Bwanakweli Prospere wari
perezida w'ishyaka RADER(Rasemblement Democratique
Rwandais) bari bashyigikiye ibitekerezo bikubiye muri
Manifeste des Bahutu yo kuya 234/3/1957 kandi bo ari
abatutsi.5. Ku ngoma ya perezida Habyarimana abahezanguni
b'abahutu bari bikubiye muri MRND, CDR na HUTU POWER
barwanije imishyikirano y'amasezerano ya Arusha
n'ishyirwa mu bikorwa ryayo argument yabo ari ngo
"nta mututsi wo kuba Ministre de la Justice",
mbese badashaka gusangira ubutegetsi n'abatutsi. Ubu
ikigusetsa ni uko ari bo bari kw'isonga mu gusaba
imishyikirano umututsi Kagame perezida w'u Rwanda kandi
mbere batarashaka ko umututsi yaba na ministre de la
Jusytice!!!6. Ku ngoma ya perezida Kagame na FPR ye iriho ubu
mu Rwanda, abatutsi b'abahezanguni banze gukorana
n'abahutu bahitamo gushyiraho systeme yo kubeshya
abanyarwanda n'amahanga ifite imitwe ibiri: leta yo
kumurika mu madirishya irimo abahutu b'umurimbo na leta
yo mu bwihisho (leta y'ikuzimu/the underground system
government) igizwe n'abatutsi
b'abahezanguni gusa ari nayo iyobora igihugu mu
by'ukuri.NGUKO uko igihugu cyacu cyaguye mu nzara
z'ubuhezanguni n'abahezanguni babwo, baba abatutsi
baba n'abahutu, kuva ku ngoma ya Cyami kugeza ubu. Bose
ku mpande zombi babonye igihe gihagije cyo gukemura ibibazo
by'igihugu ariko aho kubikemura ahubwo bagiye
babyongeera bikaba byinshi uko bwije uko
bukeye.Igihe kirageze rero ko abahezanguni bava ku
butegetsi mu Rwanda bagasimburwa n'uruvangitirane
rw'abanyarwnda bo mu moko yose batari abahezanguni
barangwa no gukorera hamwe mu buryo buri genuine butarimo
ivangurabwoko, irondakarere, uburyarya, imbereka
n'ubuhendanyi. Akaba ari bo baha u Rwanda
n'abanyarwanda umurongo mushya w'imibereho
n'imitegekere by'igihugu cyabo bose hashyizwe imbere
amahame y'ubworoherane hagati yabo bose, ubwubahane,
gukorera mu kuri, gukorera mu mucyo no gusangira ibyiza
by'igihugu cyabo bose nta n'umwe uhejejwe inyuma
y'urugi. Imana yo mw'ijuru nitwumve itwime abahutu,
itwime abatutsi, iduhe abanyarwanda b'ukuri kuko ari bo
twabuze.(Dr. Gasana Anastase, perezida
w'ishyaka PRM/MRP-ABASANGIZI).
2014-12-26
2:35 GMT-08:00 Lu pour vous <memajp2000@yahoo.fr>:
Bwana
Gasana, Byiringiro, Samuel n'abandi muganira kuri iyi
ngingo ndagirango mbashimire. Iyo
witegereje neza usanga intambara twagize zishingiye
kubuhezanguni "extreme droite" kuko umututsi
cyangwa umuhutu ashoza intambara kubandi banyarwanda kubera
gushaka kwishyira hejuru yabo, kubaheza cyangwa kubatsemba
n'ibindi. Ikibabaje
kandi usanga ibyo biba byemewe na leta iriho nkaho kuba
umuhezanguni aricyo kimenyetso ndangamuntu mungoma
zinyuranye twagize. Urugero ku
Bwami abagaragu b'i Bwami bagaragaje ubuhezanguni bwo
kwanga abahutu umwami ntiyavuga. Kungoma ya Habyarimana CDR
yaravutse yakirizwa amaboko yombi na MRND na
leta. Ese
ntibyaba ari ubutegetsi buvukisha za groupes z'aba
extremistes? CDR
yavutse ite? Yahawe ikaze na leta gute? Yahawe ikaze na MRND
gute kugeza n'aho wabonaga izasimbura MRNDD yari imaze
gusa n'iyoyoka? Murabitekerezaho iki? Ese u
Rwanda ntirwaba rusenywa no kubura ubushakashatsi bumurikira
abaturage ku ivuka n'izamurya rya extreme droite muri
sosiyete nyarwanda kugirango bayamagane hakiri kare ? Ese
buri ngoma iretse extreme droite ikavuka ntiba yihimye
itabizi? Ese iyo MRND iza kumenya iryo somo iba yararetse
CDR ikavuka igakwiza iyo idéologie yo gutsemba uwa mudahuje
byatumye abanyarwanda bose n'aba MRND bangara?
Murabivugaho iki ? -------------------------------------------------------- a
n'isi yose n'abanyarwanda), ariko nabonaga ko iki ari
nk'ikimodoka cyangwa train y'amateka azagenda yiyandika
kandi buri wese akagenda yumva ukuri ndetse agashyigikira
ukuri.
Niko rero byagenze kuko
dufatanije twese (ari ababyumvise mbere tugafatanya urugendo
ari n'abagenda babyumva aho tugeze, buri wese
arahabona). Uko ibintu byari bimeze mubihumbi bibiri na kane
cyangwa mbere yahoo siko bimeze mu bihumbi bibiri na cumi
nakane turimo. Buri wese rero wagize uruhare kuri yi cause
kuva igitangira kugeza ubu, yishime kandi amateka azamushima
igihe cyose. Kuvuga ko ukumvikana kw'iyi
cause ari ikimodoka cyangwa train buri wese yagiye abibona
kuko nutashakaga kuvuga ukuri cyangwa ibitangazamakuru na za
leta byahungaga ukuri, bigeza aho biba ngombwa ko byurira
icyo kimodoka cyangwa train y'ukuri bigashyigikira
n'ukuri ndetse bikaguteza imbere. Buri wese asubize amaso
inyuma arasanga uku ari ukuri mbabwiye iyo witegereje
abanyarwanda cyangwa abanyamahanga bahungaga ukuri
muntangiro kubera impamvu runaka, ariko bakagenda
bahindura imyumvire bakageza aho bemera uko kuri no
kukuvuga. Ngirango murabyibuka ko yaba jye n'abandi
twagiye duhwitura BBC n'ibindi byahungaga uko kuri, bimwe
muribyo nka BBC na VOA n'abandi bakaba barateye intambwe
ndetse BBC yo ikaba imaze gushyiramo imbaraga bikaba
binatuma bamaze kuyingura kabiri I Kigali ngo ye
kumvikanayo. N'ibindi bitangazamakuru n'abantu
nibarusheho guhaguruka.
Iyo rero twiyicarira ntakiba cyaragezweho. Ariko nanone
ndagirango mbabwire ko n'ubwo ndi mubaderevu b'ibanze
b'icyo kimodoka cyangwa train ndetse nkaba naragiye
mbitangira mwe abanyarwanda n'abatuye isi kuburyo bukomeye
kuri ibyo bibazo, sinifuza ko mukomeza kuduharira akazi
kandi aya ari amateka dusangiye. Nimuhaguruke namwe
mutwunganire kandi abamaze kwiyemeza iyo nzira namwe
(mwaba abari muri za organizations zindi zinyuranye
cyangwa abo turi kumwe) mwe kugeza aho ngo musinzire kugeza
ubwo biba ngombwa kuza kubakangura. Izo mbaraga zo
kubakangura zagombye gukoreshwa ibindi biteza iyi cause yacu
imbere. Na
buri wese rero nawe niyitange intsinzi izagerwaho
bidatinze.Le
25/12/2014Rutayisire Boniface
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En date de : Dim 28.12.14, Samuel Desire sam4des@yahoo.com [fondationbanyarwanda] <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :
Objet: [fondationbanyarwanda] Re: [amakurunamateka.com] Re: [rwanda_revolution] Re: FPR ni igitebo cy'itotezabwoko n'umunuko w´ubwicanyi
À: "amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com" <amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com>, "rwanda_revolution@yahoogroups.com" <rwanda_revolution@yahoogroups.com>, "rwembe6030@yahoo.fr" <rwembe6030@yahoo.fr>, "urwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com" <urwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com>, "fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>, "fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroups.com" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>, "gasana31@gmail.com" <gasana31@gmail.com>
Cc: "itwagira@yahoo.fr" <itwagira@yahoo.fr>, "agnesmurebwayire@yahoo.fr" <agnesmurebwayire@yahoo.fr>
Date: Dimanche 28 décembre 2014, 15h35
Abo bose bashaka
kutugota mu bitekerezo nka ba Twagiramungu, ba Rwembe ,ba
Murebwayire n'abandi
barashaka imyanya ya Kagame nkuko byagenze kuri Evode.
N'abo bazavuga ko ntacyo
twandika , ko nta opposition iriho. Abanyarwanda ntabwo
bagitekereza kubera Kagame. Kagame afite ibinyamakuru byose
acunga, byirinda
kwandika ibibi bya politike ye. Natwe rero dukore
gutyo. Akongera agatanga
ruswa ayiha ibindi byandikawa n'abanyamahanga.
Ibyo ni za Jeune Afrique na
AllAfrica.com.
Abose bose barahembwa na Kagame.
Iyo rero mbona exces de zele z'abamwe baterura
inkuru z'ibyo binyamakuru bakabitugezaho kandi
banashaka discipline mu
byo twanditse kandi bakabikora badahembwa, nibaza icyo baba
bagamije
bikanyobera.
From: "Samuel
Desire sam4des@yahoo.com [amakurunamateka]"
<amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com>
To:
"rwanda_revolution@yahoogroups.com"
<rwanda_revolution@yahoogroups.com>;
"rwembe6030@yahoo.fr" <rwembe6030@yahoo.fr>;
"urwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com"
<urwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com>;
"fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr"
<fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>;
"fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroups.com"
<fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroups.com>;
"gasana31@gmail.com" <gasana31@gmail.com>;
"amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com"
<amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com>
Cc:
"itwagira@yahoo.fr" <itwagira@yahoo.fr>;
"agnesmurebwayire@yahoo.fr"
<agnesmurebwayire@yahoo.fr>
Sent: Sunday, 28
December 2014, 14:04
Subject:
[amakurunamateka.com] Re: [rwanda_revolution] Re: FPR ni
igitebo cy'itotezabwoko n'umunuko w´ubwicanyi
Rwembe,
Jye
ureka abantu bandike uko bashaka kuri za forums, ntabwo turi
abana ku buryo tutamenya uwanditse nabi n'utanditse
nabi. Ikindi kandi iyo ubona ko umuntu atandika
ibigushimishije, hari uburyo ushobora gukora ntiwongere
gusoma messages ze. Umushyira muri spam messages ze
ntizongere kukugeraho. Cyangwa se
ukazihanagura. Nta
discipline dukeneye kuri izi forums. Turakuze bihagije. Mu
Rwanda ntabwo Kagame yagota abantu mu bitekerezo natwe ababa
mu mahanga bikaba uko.Liste y'abo bantu ngo Gasana
yavuze ntabwo ari Imana. Niba Twagiramungu Innocent ari
Imana yawe, umusenge ukwawe ariko widuteka ngo natwe
tubikore. Afite groupe imwe nkuko hariho groupes nyinshi,
hari za blogs, za sites Internet, aho hose abanyarwanda bari
hanze bashobora kwisanzura. Mu Rwanda aho media zose
zicungwa na Kagame ntibishoboka. Ikindi
kandi usomye message ndende igeretse kuri messages zose
zoherezwa kuri DHR, hari aho Twagiramungu avuga
ati:"Les messages publiés sur
DHR n'engagent que la responsabilité de leurs
auteurs."
Akandi kazi Twagiramungu yiha ko kubahiriza discipline kuri
Forum gatandukanye n'ayo
mabwiriza.
Ni uko
amategeko ya Yahoo Groups nayo abivuga. Nuko n'izindi
social media zibivuga. Ingero ni uko iyo wanditse nabi kuri
Facebook par exemple usakaza messages za terrorisme cyangwa
ubwicanyi, ntabwo ari ucunga Facebook ukurikiranwa, ni
uwanditse iyo message ukurikiranwa, ni nayo mpamvu bakubaza
identite yawe iyo ugiye kwiyandiksha kuri social media,
kandi na ISP ishobora gutanga identite zawe ibiha services
de securite maze zikamenya uwo uriwe, ugakurikiranwa. Ibi
bireba securite gusa, ntabwo bireba gusebya umutegetsi
cyangwa abantu runaka kuko ibyo biri muri free speech social
media zishyigikiye. Nta
muntu uyobora Yahoo Group cyangwa izindi social media
wigeze abazwa ibyanditswe kuri groupe cyangwa social media
ayobora. Ibyo Twagiramungu akora n'abamushyigikiye
babyita exces de zele, ni ubwirasi hongeyeho nuko abikoresha
akora publicite ya social media afite ku giti cye zitagira
icyo zimumariye. Dore
message ndende ya Twagiramungu yongera kuri postings
zoherezwa kuri DHR uko iteye kandi ivanze mu ndi nyinshi.
Ibyakora n'ink'iby'abana bakora. Mu gihe
turwanya kuramya no gunenga ubutegetsi bwa Kagame , ahari
abaramya moderateur wa DHR n'abandi
bantu.
Ikindi
kandi nibutse ko atari twe cyangwa Innocent Twagiramungu
dushinzwe gutanga urugero muri discipline y'ibyo
twandika kurusha Kagame mu byo akora cyangwa avuga. Akenshi
twandika kuri Kagame duhereye ku byo avuga na politike ye.
Iyo rero Mushikiwabo yinubira ko twandika kuri Kagame,
nabanze abwire Kagame aceceke cyangwa se ajye avuga ibintu
bizima, byubaka, byumvikanisha abanyarwanda, areke
ironda-koko, areke apartheid. Abanyarwanda baba mu mahanga
bakoze uko bashoboye bashyiraho za ONG, bakora ibiganiro,
bakora amanama , bavuga kuri za Youtube n'ahandi,
bashaka ko guteza imbere reconciliation mu banyarwanda,
ariko ibyo byose Kagame yabikubye zero ahubwo we akomeza
imvugo y'urwangano n'izindi ideologies zirimo no
gusaba abahutu bose ko basaba imbabazi kubera ko ari
abicanyi.
Ngiyi
message ya Twagiramungu ihoraho yiyongera kuri za messages
mwohereza kuri DHR:UT UNUM
SINT
"L'extrémisme dans la
défense de la liberté n'est pas un vice; La
modération dans la poursuite de la justice n'est pas
une vertu".
"Extremism in the defense of
liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is
no virtue." (USA,Republican Convention 1964,Barry
Morris Goldwater (1909-1998)).
"Le monde ne sera pas
détruit par ceux qui font le mal mais par ceux qui
regardent et refusent d'agir", Albert EINSTEIN.
Les messages publiés sur DHR
n'engagent que la responsabilité de leurs auteurs.
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content that you post to DHR. You may only post materials
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electronically. The owner of DHR cannot and does not
guarantee the accuracy of any statements made in or
materials posted to the group by participants.
" BE NICE TO PEOPLE ON YOUR
WAY UP, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT MEET THEM ON YOUR WAY DOWN."
Jimmy DURANTE.
COMBATTONS la haine SANS
complaisance, PARTOUT et avec Toute ENERGIE!!!!!!
Let's rather
prefer Peace, Love , Hope and Life, and get together as
one!!! Inno TWAGIRA
get together as one!!! Inno
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Subject: Fw: *DHR* Re:
FPR ni igitebo cy'itotezabwoko n'umunuko
w´ubwicanyi
On Sunday, 28 December 2014, 10:13,
"Rwembe Charlie rwembe6030@yahoo.fr
[Democracy_Human_Rights]"
<Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:
Gasana,uyu muntu
wiyita lupourvous ukora bya character assassination ku bantu
hafi ya bose nka JMV Ndagijimana, Twagiramungu Faustin,
Innocent Twagiramungu moderateur wa DHR n'abandi,
franchement kumusubiza bivuga ko usangiye nawe ibyiyumviro.
Nzi ko urwanya character assassination uko isa kose naho
yaba iturutse hose. Biratangaje kubona uha umwanya uyu muntu
usenya, usebya kandi abeshya, agamije gusa gusebya abandi
kuko yenda badahuje nawe imyumvire. Sigaho rwose, wari umaze
kugarura ubuyanja ku basomyi ba DHR, ariko guha attention
uyu lupourvous ntabwo bikuzamura...
Le Samedi 27 décembre 2014 6h01,
"Anastase Gasana gasana31@gmail.com
[Democracy_Human_Rights]"
<Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :
BASOMYI BANDITSI,Ndagirango nsubize ibibazo cya LU POUR VOUS
yabajije kuri uru rubuga:1. Ubuhezanguni bwashenye u Rwanda kuva rwabaho
kugeza uyu munsi bushingira kw'ivangurabwoko,
ivangurakarere cyangwa irondakarere,
n'irondakazu(nepotisme).2. u Rwanda ruheruka amahoro arambye hagati
y'abahutu n'abatutsi kera cyane ku ngoma
y'abami b'abahutu kuko bakiriye abatutsi mu gihugu
batabarwanije(nkuko nabo baza mu gihugu abatwa bahasanze
batabarwanije). IkIbazo cy'abahutu n'abatutsi
cyatangiye ubwo abami b'abatutsi bafashe umugambi
mubisha wo guca abami bagenzi babo b'abahutu inyuma
bakabagabaho ibitero byo kubica bakabashahura amabya
bakayambika ingoma yabo Kalinga. Kuva icyo gihe kugera mu
1959 imvugo yakoreshwaga icyo gihe yari ngo "KALINGA
ITAMIRIJE IBINYITA". Dore uko abahezanguni
b'abatutsi, abatware 12 b'i Bwami kwa Rudahigwa
babyaditse mw'ibaruwa yabo yo kuya 17/5/1957 basubiza
ibaruwa ya Kayibanda na bagenzi bari baranditse ku ya
24/03/1957 kandi Umwmi Rudahigwa ntagire icyo abikoraho:
"L'histoire dit que Ruganzu a tue beacoup de
Bahinza(roitelets). Lui et les autres de nos rois ont tue
des Bahinza et ont ainsi conquis les pays des Bahutu
don't ces Bahinza etaient rois. On en trouve tout le
detail dans l'Inganji Kalinga. Puisque donc nos rois ont
conquis les pays des Bahutu en tuant leurs roitelets et ont
ainsi asservi les Bahutu, comment maintenant ceux-ci
peuvent-ils pretender etre nos frees?(Nous grands bagaragu
de l' Ibwami), barangije barasinya bose(CRISP
Bruxelles:Rwanda Politique 1958-1960,
pages35-36).3. Umwami Kigeli wasimbuye mukuru we Rudahigwa nawe
niko byagenze, ntiyabaye umwami w'abanyarwanda bose.
Nawe yiherereranywe n'abatutsi b'abahezanguni maze
mu 1960 yanga gushyiraho guverinoma yo gukiza igihugu
yasabwe icyo gihe n'amashyaka 4 arimo abatutsi
n'abahutu ariyo: Parti du Mouvement de
l'Emancipation Hutu, UNAR, RADER na APROSOMA, Gerigori
Kayibanda akaba ari we wagombaga kumubera Minisitiri
w'Intebe kandi we n'ishyaka rye PARMEHUTU bari
babyemeye. Abatutsi b'abahezanguni batashaka isangira
ry'ubutegetsi hagati yabo n'abahutu ni bo babyishe,
umwami Kigeli V nawe arabyemera kuko yari kumwe
nabo.4. Ku ngoma ya perezida Kayibanda, abahezanguni
b'abahutu nabo banze gufatanya no gusangira
ubutegetsi n'abatutsi moderes bari bayobowe
n'igikomangoma umutware Bwanakweli Prospere wari
perezida w'ishyaka RADER(Rasemblement Democratique
Rwandais) bari bashyigikiye ibitekerezo bikubiye muri
Manifeste des Bahutu yo kuya 234/3/1957 kandi bo ari
abatutsi.5. Ku ngoma ya perezida Habyarimana abahezanguni
b'abahutu bari bikubiye muri MRND, CDR na HUTU POWER
barwanije imishyikirano y'amasezerano ya Arusha
n'ishyirwa mu bikorwa ryayo argument yabo ari ngo
"nta mututsi wo kuba Ministre de la Justice",
mbese badashaka gusangira ubutegetsi n'abatutsi. Ubu
ikigusetsa ni uko ari bo bari kw'isonga mu gusaba
imishyikirano umututsi Kagame perezida w'u Rwanda kandi
mbere batarashaka ko umututsi yaba na ministre de la
Jusytice!!!6. Ku ngoma ya perezida Kagame na FPR ye iriho ubu
mu Rwanda, abatutsi b'abahezanguni banze gukorana
n'abahutu bahitamo gushyiraho systeme yo kubeshya
abanyarwanda n'amahanga ifite imitwe ibiri: leta yo
kumurika mu madirishya irimo abahutu b'umurimbo na leta
yo mu bwihisho (leta y'ikuzimu/the underground system
government) igizwe n'abatutsi
b'abahezanguni gusa ari nayo iyobora igihugu mu
by'ukuri.NGUKO uko igihugu cyacu cyaguye mu nzara
z'ubuhezanguni n'abahezanguni babwo, baba abatutsi
baba n'abahutu, kuva ku ngoma ya Cyami kugeza ubu. Bose
ku mpande zombi babonye igihe gihagije cyo gukemura ibibazo
by'igihugu ariko aho kubikemura ahubwo bagiye
babyongeera bikaba byinshi uko bwije uko
bukeye.Igihe kirageze rero ko abahezanguni bava ku
butegetsi mu Rwanda bagasimburwa n'uruvangitirane
rw'abanyarwnda bo mu moko yose batari abahezanguni
barangwa no gukorera hamwe mu buryo buri genuine butarimo
ivangurabwoko, irondakarere, uburyarya, imbereka
n'ubuhendanyi. Akaba ari bo baha u Rwanda
n'abanyarwanda umurongo mushya w'imibereho
n'imitegekere by'igihugu cyabo bose hashyizwe imbere
amahame y'ubworoherane hagati yabo bose, ubwubahane,
gukorera mu kuri, gukorera mu mucyo no gusangira ibyiza
by'igihugu cyabo bose nta n'umwe uhejejwe inyuma
y'urugi. Imana yo mw'ijuru nitwumve itwime abahutu,
itwime abatutsi, iduhe abanyarwanda b'ukuri kuko ari bo
twabuze.(Dr. Gasana Anastase, perezida
w'ishyaka PRM/MRP-ABASANGIZI).
2014-12-26
2:35 GMT-08:00 Lu pour vous <memajp2000@yahoo.fr>:
Bwana
Gasana, Byiringiro, Samuel n'abandi muganira kuri iyi
ngingo ndagirango mbashimire. Iyo
witegereje neza usanga intambara twagize zishingiye
kubuhezanguni "extreme droite" kuko umututsi
cyangwa umuhutu ashoza intambara kubandi banyarwanda kubera
gushaka kwishyira hejuru yabo, kubaheza cyangwa kubatsemba
n'ibindi. Ikibabaje
kandi usanga ibyo biba byemewe na leta iriho nkaho kuba
umuhezanguni aricyo kimenyetso ndangamuntu mungoma
zinyuranye twagize. Urugero ku
Bwami abagaragu b'i Bwami bagaragaje ubuhezanguni bwo
kwanga abahutu umwami ntiyavuga. Kungoma ya Habyarimana CDR
yaravutse yakirizwa amaboko yombi na MRND na
leta. Ese
ntibyaba ari ubutegetsi buvukisha za groupes z'aba
extremistes? CDR
yavutse ite? Yahawe ikaze na leta gute? Yahawe ikaze na MRND
gute kugeza n'aho wabonaga izasimbura MRNDD yari imaze
gusa n'iyoyoka? Murabitekerezaho iki? Ese u
Rwanda ntirwaba rusenywa no kubura ubushakashatsi bumurikira
abaturage ku ivuka n'izamurya rya extreme droite muri
sosiyete nyarwanda kugirango bayamagane hakiri kare ? Ese
buri ngoma iretse extreme droite ikavuka ntiba yihimye
itabizi? Ese iyo MRND iza kumenya iryo somo iba yararetse
CDR ikavuka igakwiza iyo idéologie yo gutsemba uwa mudahuje
byatumye abanyarwanda bose n'aba MRND bangara?
Murabivugaho iki ? -------------------------------------------------------- a
n'isi yose n'abanyarwanda), ariko nabonaga ko iki ari
nk'ikimodoka cyangwa train y'amateka azagenda yiyandika
kandi buri wese akagenda yumva ukuri ndetse agashyigikira
ukuri.
Niko rero byagenze kuko
dufatanije twese (ari ababyumvise mbere tugafatanya urugendo
ari n'abagenda babyumva aho tugeze, buri wese
arahabona). Uko ibintu byari bimeze mubihumbi bibiri na kane
cyangwa mbere yahoo siko bimeze mu bihumbi bibiri na cumi
nakane turimo. Buri wese rero wagize uruhare kuri yi cause
kuva igitangira kugeza ubu, yishime kandi amateka azamushima
igihe cyose. Kuvuga ko ukumvikana kw'iyi
cause ari ikimodoka cyangwa train buri wese yagiye abibona
kuko nutashakaga kuvuga ukuri cyangwa ibitangazamakuru na za
leta byahungaga ukuri, bigeza aho biba ngombwa ko byurira
icyo kimodoka cyangwa train y'ukuri bigashyigikira
n'ukuri ndetse bikaguteza imbere. Buri wese asubize amaso
inyuma arasanga uku ari ukuri mbabwiye iyo witegereje
abanyarwanda cyangwa abanyamahanga bahungaga ukuri
muntangiro kubera impamvu runaka, ariko bakagenda
bahindura imyumvire bakageza aho bemera uko kuri no
kukuvuga. Ngirango murabyibuka ko yaba jye n'abandi
twagiye duhwitura BBC n'ibindi byahungaga uko kuri, bimwe
muribyo nka BBC na VOA n'abandi bakaba barateye intambwe
ndetse BBC yo ikaba imaze gushyiramo imbaraga bikaba
binatuma bamaze kuyingura kabiri I Kigali ngo ye
kumvikanayo. N'ibindi bitangazamakuru n'abantu
nibarusheho guhaguruka.
Iyo rero twiyicarira ntakiba cyaragezweho. Ariko nanone
ndagirango mbabwire ko n'ubwo ndi mubaderevu b'ibanze
b'icyo kimodoka cyangwa train ndetse nkaba naragiye
mbitangira mwe abanyarwanda n'abatuye isi kuburyo bukomeye
kuri ibyo bibazo, sinifuza ko mukomeza kuduharira akazi
kandi aya ari amateka dusangiye. Nimuhaguruke namwe
mutwunganire kandi abamaze kwiyemeza iyo nzira namwe
(mwaba abari muri za organizations zindi zinyuranye
cyangwa abo turi kumwe) mwe kugeza aho ngo musinzire kugeza
ubwo biba ngombwa kuza kubakangura. Izo mbaraga zo
kubakangura zagombye gukoreshwa ibindi biteza iyi cause yacu
imbere. Na
buri wese rero nawe niyitange intsinzi izagerwaho
bidatinze.Le
25/12/2014Rutayisire Boniface
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