Rwanda: Supporters of scholar Léopold Munyakazi struggle to stop his deportation from the U.S.
Submitted by Ann Garrison on Sat, 09/12/2015 - 21:13
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KPFA Weekend News, 09.12.2015
French professor Léopold Munyakazi is in custody in Miami, on the verge of deportation, as friends, family, and a pro bono attorney struggle for his release.
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KPFA Weekend News Anchor: Supporters of suspended Gaucher College French Professor Léopold Munyakazi are urgently trying to stop his deportation to Rwanda because they feel it would lead to his 
Professor Léopold Munyakazi secured a job teaching French at Gaucher College with the help of an organization called 'Scholars in Danger,' but the college suspended him after the Rwandan government's allegations. imprisonment, torture and/or death. The Rwandan government accused Professor Munyakazi of genocide after he made several speeches in which he said that the Rwandan massacres that took place between 1990 and 1994 were not genocide. He said instead that Rwandans are one people sharing the same language and culture and that the war and massacres grew out of a long smoldering class conflict in which the social classes were labeled as Tutsi, Hutu, and Twa.
Professor Léopold Munyakazi secured a job teaching French at Gaucher College with the help of an organization called 'Scholars in Danger,' but the college suspended him after the Rwandan government's allegations. imprisonment, torture and/or death. The Rwandan government accused Professor Munyakazi of genocide after he made several speeches in which he said that the Rwandan massacres that took place between 1990 and 1994 were not genocide. He said instead that Rwandans are one people sharing the same language and culture and that the war and massacres grew out of a long smoldering class conflict in which the social classes were labeled as Tutsi, Hutu, and Twa. Professor Munyakazi's case is still pending in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, but Department of Homeland Security professionals arrested him last week anyway. KPFA's Ann Garrison spoke to attorney Ofelia Calderón.
KPFA/Ann Garrison: Ofelia Calderón, what happened to Professor Léopold Munyakazi last week?
Ofelia Calderón: The DHS picked him up, or ICE, the police of the DHS, picked him up at his home on Friday, September 4th, at 3 pm and took him into custody, and moved him from Baltimore to Louisiana to Miami, which is the classic staging step for deportation. He's always reported, and he's been on an ankle bracelet, so there's really no other reason to pick him up except to deport.
KPFA: What do you think the underlying political context of this is?
OF: I believe that the Rwandan government has been negotiating with the U.S. government to extradite individuals that they want to charge with these types of crimes, with genocide.
KPFA: And, Professor Munyakazi has been critical of the Rwandan government and its official genocide narrative, right?
OF: That is true. That's completely accurate. The Rwandan government issued its warrants of arrest for Professor Munyakazi in 2008. It was because he had given two speeches about the genocide and had characterized it differently from the Rwandan regime.
KPFA/Ann Garrison: Ofelia Calderón, what happened to Professor Léopold Munyakazi last week?
Ofelia Calderón: The DHS picked him up, or ICE, the police of the DHS, picked him up at his home on Friday, September 4th, at 3 pm and took him into custody, and moved him from Baltimore to Louisiana to Miami, which is the classic staging step for deportation. He's always reported, and he's been on an ankle bracelet, so there's really no other reason to pick him up except to deport.
KPFA: What do you think the underlying political context of this is?
OF: I believe that the Rwandan government has been negotiating with the U.S. government to extradite individuals that they want to charge with these types of crimes, with genocide.
KPFA: And, Professor Munyakazi has been critical of the Rwandan government and its official genocide narrative, right?
OF: That is true. That's completely accurate. The Rwandan government issued its warrants of arrest for Professor Munyakazi in 2008. It was because he had given two speeches about the genocide and had characterized it differently from the Rwandan regime.
KPFA: He characterized it as a class conflict rather than an ethnic conflict, right?
OF: That's correct. That's correct. And then coincidentally, they immediately and inbetween issued these warrants alleging that he had been involved in genocide, notwithstanding the fact that years prior evidence had been proffered specifically by witnesses who said that he hadn't been involved.
KPFA: Right, well they couldn't charge him with a speech crime, which seems to be what they're actually exercised about.
OF: To be fair, there was also a charge of genocide negation, and there was also a charge of divisionism.
KPFA: Oh, divisionism, OK.
OF: Having divisionist ideology.
KPFA: How did the U.S. courts deal with the speech crime issues?
OF: Well, I would say that in immigration court, I think that Judge Kessler certainly acknowledged that that was a motive for the Rwandan government to issue their warrants, but at the end of the day, she
Immigration attorney Ofelia Calderón, seen here speaking on CNN, so believes in Léopold Munyakazi's innocence that she has been working on it for six years pro bono.accepted the evidence that the Rwandan government had provided to the U.S. government and found that he was a human rights persecutor and, as a result, denied his application for asylum.
KPFA: There are lot of people working to try to stop this deportation. What are his chances?
OF: Right now his case is at the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. So, what I have done as his attorney is I filed a motion for an emergency stay with the Fourth Circuit, asking that they stay his deportation pending the culmination of the appeal at the circuit court level. An administrative stay was filed with ICE as well by friends and family and individuals that are very supportive of Professor Munyakazi. And there's a lot of pressure, I think, from the public now at this point to, at a minimum, permit him to stay for purposes of completing the appeal.
KPFA: Well, he could appeal all the way to the Supreme Court, couldn't he?
OF: Absolutely, that's right, but we haven't finished the circuit court point. The opening brief is due September 21st,
KPFA: And you believe in this case so much that you've been working on it pro bono for four years, right?
OF: I've been working on it pro bono since 2009. Six years.
KPFA: OK. What do you think will happen to Professor Munyakazi if he is in fact deported to Rwanda?
OF: Well, there's no dispute that Professor Munyakazi will be detained upon his arrival in Rwanda. I believe that he will suffer torture. I absolutely believe that. And to some extent, I also believe that. . .I believe his very life is in danger. For purposes of the Rwandan government, he is someone that they do not want to continue speaking.
KPFA: And that was Ofelia Calderón, attorney for Professor Léopold Munyakazi.
In Berkeley, for Pacifica, KPFA, and AfrobeatRadio, I'm Ann Garrison.
A petition in support of Professor Léopold Munyakazi can be signed at this url.
OF: That's correct. That's correct. And then coincidentally, they immediately and inbetween issued these warrants alleging that he had been involved in genocide, notwithstanding the fact that years prior evidence had been proffered specifically by witnesses who said that he hadn't been involved.
KPFA: Right, well they couldn't charge him with a speech crime, which seems to be what they're actually exercised about.
OF: To be fair, there was also a charge of genocide negation, and there was also a charge of divisionism.
KPFA: Oh, divisionism, OK.
OF: Having divisionist ideology.
KPFA: How did the U.S. courts deal with the speech crime issues?
OF: Well, I would say that in immigration court, I think that Judge Kessler certainly acknowledged that that was a motive for the Rwandan government to issue their warrants, but at the end of the day, she
Immigration attorney Ofelia Calderón, seen here speaking on CNN, so believes in Léopold Munyakazi's innocence that she has been working on it for six years pro bono.accepted the evidence that the Rwandan government had provided to the U.S. government and found that he was a human rights persecutor and, as a result, denied his application for asylum. KPFA: There are lot of people working to try to stop this deportation. What are his chances?
OF: Right now his case is at the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. So, what I have done as his attorney is I filed a motion for an emergency stay with the Fourth Circuit, asking that they stay his deportation pending the culmination of the appeal at the circuit court level. An administrative stay was filed with ICE as well by friends and family and individuals that are very supportive of Professor Munyakazi. And there's a lot of pressure, I think, from the public now at this point to, at a minimum, permit him to stay for purposes of completing the appeal.
KPFA: Well, he could appeal all the way to the Supreme Court, couldn't he?
OF: Absolutely, that's right, but we haven't finished the circuit court point. The opening brief is due September 21st,
KPFA: And you believe in this case so much that you've been working on it pro bono for four years, right?
OF: I've been working on it pro bono since 2009. Six years.
KPFA: OK. What do you think will happen to Professor Munyakazi if he is in fact deported to Rwanda?
OF: Well, there's no dispute that Professor Munyakazi will be detained upon his arrival in Rwanda. I believe that he will suffer torture. I absolutely believe that. And to some extent, I also believe that. . .I believe his very life is in danger. For purposes of the Rwandan government, he is someone that they do not want to continue speaking.
KPFA: And that was Ofelia Calderón, attorney for Professor Léopold Munyakazi.
In Berkeley, for Pacifica, KPFA, and AfrobeatRadio, I'm Ann Garrison.
A petition in support of Professor Léopold Munyakazi can be signed at this url.
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