From: "Anastase Gasana gasana31@gmail.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
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Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2014, 2:17
Subject: *DHR* Re: Re: Mémoire aux victimes de 73: Retour de vieux démons
Dear fellow citizen Ngabo,Komera.1. Intensions zo gukora genocide ntabwo buri gihe ziba zanditse cyangwa se zivugwa kuri radio cyangwa zandikwa mu binyamakuru. Zishobora gutegurwa oralement, amabwiriza yo gukora iyo genocide agatangwa oralement, na rapports z'ikorwa ry'iyo genocide zigatangwa oralement byose muri strategie yo gusibanganya ibimenyetso. FPR Inkotanyi ni uko yabigenje mu mugambi wayo yashohoje wo gukora genocide ku bahutu mu Rwanda no muri Zaire-Congo DRC, Ibi bikoroha cyane mu gihugu nk'u Rwanda kidafite tradition de l'ecrit, un pays a tradition orale, ahantu ou l'oralite joue un role determinant dans la communication.2. Ntawe ugomba kwitiranya modus operandi na intentions ou non-intensions zo gukora genocide. Interahamwe modus operandi yazo yari ugukora genocide des tutsi a ciel ouvert(in the open), inkotanyi zo akaba ari ugukora genocide des hutu en cachette, dans la discretion, de facon dissimulee(mw'ibanga, ipfa gukorwa gusa). Interahamwe abatutsi zicaga zabarundaga hariya ndetse zikarushanwa kureba ufite ikirundo cy'abo yishe kurusha undi, bakabapanga nk'upanga amasiteri y'inkwi ubundi television y'u Rwanda igafata amafoto!Inkotanyi zo zicaga abahutu zigahita zijya kubatwika(urumva ko ibikoresho byo kubatwika byabaga byarateguwe mbere n'abazakora ako kazi n'aho bazagakorera=planification de ce genocide), cyangwa kubajugunya mu migezi no mu byobo rusange (babaga bateguye babicukuye vuba bifashishije techiniques basanganywe zo gucukura imyobo n'indake vuba zo kwihishamo); interahamwe zicaga abatutsi ku manywa, naho inkotanyi zo akenshi(si buri gihe) zicaga abahutu nijoro toujours muri strategie yazo yo gusibanganya ibimenyetso; interahamwe zakoreshaga violence physique et verbale iyo zabaga zije gutwara abatutsi bo kujya kwica, naho inkotanyi zo zakoreshaga la ruse iyo zazaga gutwara abantu bo kujya kwica(abo babeshyaga ngo bagiye kwinjira igisilikare, ngo baze bajye kubafasha gupakira, ngo baze bajye kubafasha imirimo techiniques y'ibyo batari bamenyereye mu gihugu, n'izindi ruses nyinshi ntakwirirwa ndondora hano; interahamwe zakoreshaga cyane cyane umuhoro na "ntanpongano y'umwanzi" mu gukora genocide tutsi naho inkotanyi zo mu gukora genocide hutu zakoreshaga agafuni, akandoyi ku kumena agatuza kagasaduka, umugozi wo kunigisha abo bahutu n'ibyuma byo kubasonga; etc...; etc...3. Iyo uwakoze genocide yafashe strategie yo kubigira ibanga rye nka kuriya FPR Inkotanyi babigenje, intentions zabo zo gukora genocide, kurimbura abahutu bose bashoboka cyangwa se igice cyabo(en tout ou en partie nkuko wabivuze), ubisomera muri modus operandi yabo yose uko yakabaye: nka kuriya bahamagaraga abaturage ngo baze mu nama guhabwa amabwiriza mashya cyangwa se ngo baze gufata imfashanyo, n'izindi za pieges rusees qu'ils leur tendaient ariko bakaburira abaturage b'abatutsi ngo bo ntibaze (abatutsi bagiye baburirwa kutaza mw'ibagiro rya FPR/APR Inkotanyi ni bo bagiye babiduhamo ubuhamya) kandi ugasanga ari ibintu byakozwe gutyo mu gihugu hose bikorwa n'abasilikare ba APR batandukanye ariko methodes ari zimwe, byerekana ko bategiriwe ibyo bikorwa byo gukora genocide hutu. Nta gihe mfite cyo gukora analyse ya modus operandi yabo yose nko gutwika imirambo n'ibindi, ariko umuntu wese utari de mauvaise foi iyo abisesenguye, intentions za FPR/APR Inkotanyi zo gukora genocide hutu zihita zigaragaza vuba cyane nta gushikanya. Kandi ari abahutu barokotse genocide hutu ari abatutsi bayibonye ikorwa ari n'abatutsi bari mu bayikoraga nka Adjudant Chef Mugisha Salim wari muri FPR/APR special forces zari zifite task yo gukora genocide hutu, bose barabyemeza. (Gasana Anastase, umuyobozi wa PRM/MRP-ABASANGIZI, ishyaka rigamije gusangiza abanyarwanda bose ibyiza by'igihugu cyabo ntawe uhejejwe inyuma y'urugi).2014-08-12 17:36 GMT-04:00 <ngabo@arcor.de>:Gasana,
reka nkwibarize gato: igihe cy'intambara ya kabiri y'isi yose, abanyamerika barashe imijyi hafi ya yose yo mu Budage (ils ont bombardé presque toutes les villes allemandes) bayihindura imiyonga, kandi ari nako abaturage bayituye bapfaga (uretse ko batapfiriye gushira). Iyo ukandagiye muri za musées historiques zo mu Budage, ni bwo wibonera ukuntu Ubudage icyo gihe bwahindutse imiyonga koko.
None se ubwo wakwihandagaza, ukihanukira, ukavuga ngo "abanyamerika bakoze genocide y'abadage"?
Mbere yo kwita ubwicanyi bwakozwe n'Inkotanyi genocide, uzabanze utugaragarize ko bari bafite umugambi koko wo kurimbura abahutu bose (la volonté d'extermination de tous les hutus), nkuko abanazi bifuzaga kubigirira abadage, nkuko Leta ya Habyarimana n'interahamwe bifuzaga kubigirira abatutsi (RTLM yarabiririmbye bihagije, nizere ko utabihakana!).
Ngabo
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Von: "Anastase Gasana gasana31@gmail.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
An: f <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>, f <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>
Datum: 12.08.2014 22:44
Betreff: Re: *DHR*Mémoire aux victimes de 73: Retour de vieux démons
> Muvandime munyarwanda Ndolimana,
> Ibyo twanditse kuri modus operandi za FPR/APR INKOTANYI mu gukora genocide
> hutu mu Rwanda ni ukuri tuzi neza wowe udashaka kumva. Kuriya kuri
> nakubwiwe n'abantu benshi kandi b'amoko yombi tutsi na hutu bari bahari.
> Kuba ntari ndi mu Rwanda kuva muri avril kugeza Juillet 1994 byampaye la
> liberte yo kuba naragendaga mbaza uwo mbonye wese nzi uko ibintu byagenze.
> Mu kinyarwanda cyacu baca umugani ngo "Ineza uyisanga imbere". Hari abantu
> benshi nagiye ngirira neza uko nabaga mbishoboye, baba abahutu baba
> abatutsi kuko jye ntigeze kandi n'ubu ntarobanura amoko. Mfite abantu
> benshi b'abatutsi notamment nagiye nsabira amashuli bakayabona, bamwe
> bagiye baza no kundeba ntabazi banshimira ko bize kubera jye ariko
> ntabibuka nari nzi ababyeyi babo gusa, abo nagiye mpa cyangwa se mpesha
> akazi; abarokotse genocide tutsi bose muri bo ubu ni abana banjye nubwo ubu
> ari abagabo n'abategaruguri. Ni bo bagiye bambwira biriya byose by'ukuntu
> barokotse n'ukuntu babonye FPR ikora genocide hutu. Hari na bamwe muri bo
> binjiye igisirikare cya le 6 Avril 1994 na nyuma y'aho. Biriya byose wowe
> uhakana bo barabyiboneye n'amaso kandi igihe ni kigera biteguye kuzatanga
> ubuhamya bwabo kumugaragaro. Iriya gocide hutu yakozwe na FPR/APR hari
> abatutsi bayibonye ikorwa nk'aba nkubwira babintekerereje kandi si bo
> bonyine babibonye, hari abatutsi bari mu bakoze iyo genocide hutu nabo
> biteguye guhamya biriya by' uko yakozwe, muri bo adjudent chef Mugisha
> Salim wari muri equipe yari yaratoranijwe by'umwihariko muri APR mu rwego
> rwo gukora genocide hutu mu Rwanda no muri Zaire-Congo akaba yarabitanzemo
> ubuhamya deja muri Radio Itahuka uzamwumve niba utaramwumvise. Si abo
> batutsi gusa babonye genocide hutu ikorwa mu Rwanda no muri Congo, hari
> n'abahutu bayirokotse nabo baduha ubuhamya bwabo bw'ukuntu yakozwe. Nkuko
> Shimamungu yabikwandikiye, buri muhutu wese(uretse abagize amahirwe yo kuba
> muri zone turquoise nka Cyangugu n'ahandi) afite abe bazize genocide hutu
> bishwe na FPR mu Rwanda no muri Congo, akagira n'abayirokotse bagiye
> bamutekerereza uko byagenze. Aba bose baba abahutu baba abatutsi, FPR
> ibabuza kuvuga ibyo babonye yo ubwayo yakoze ku bahutu mu Rwanda no muri
> Congo, ibabuza gutanga ubuhamya bwayo kuko izi ko bazi ukuri idashaka kimwe
> nawe ko kuvugwa. Twe rero muri Parti Rwandais des Moderes/Moderate Rwanda
> Party, RPM/MRP-ABASANGIZI, ntawe duhishira wakoze genocide ku banyarwanda,
> yaba uwakoze genocide tutsi yaba n'uwakoze genocide hutu. Sitwe twenyine
> kandi turi kuri urwo rugamba, hari n'ishyaka BANYARWNDA PARTY Boniface
> Rutayisire abereye perezida n'andi mashyaka amwe tubiganiraho kenshi,
> ndetse na Radio Inyabutatu Nyarwanda ikiganiro cya Jackson Munyeragwe kitwa
> "AKARI IMURORE". Turabizi ko "KUVUGA AKARI IMURORE" hari abatutsi
> b'abahezanguni b'abafanatiques ba FPR/APR bitagwa neza ariko bakaba bata
> igihe cyabo kuko bitazatubuza kuvugisha ukuri kose uko tukuzi ku bakoze
> genocide mu Rwanda abo ari bose, baba abahutu, baba abatutsi. Twongeye
> gushima abahutu General Rusatira Leonidas, General BEM Habyarimana
> Emmanuel, General Gatsinzi Marcel n'abandi bagenzi babo ba officiers
> superieurs des ex-FAR banditse itangazo ku Kigeme mu kwezi kwa 6 bavuga ko
> ubwiicanyi bari bamaze iminsi babona bukorerwa abatutsi ari genocide;
> ntabwo bo bategereje ko ari l'ONU iza kwemeza ibyo bo bahagazeho. Ngaba
> abagabo, ngaba abanyarwnda b'ukuri. Twasabye ko hagira abatutsi batera mu
> ryabo nabo bakavugisha ukuri ko byo babonye bazi imvaho ko FPR/APR yakoze
> genocide hutu kandi na n'ubu turacyabibasaba. Turashimira ababitanzeho
> ubuhamya bwabo deja nka Lt Ruzibiza wabyanditseho n'igitabo, Lt Ruyenzi
> wabikozeho inyandiko izwi, Major Furuma nawe wabyanditseho document izwi,
> Deo Mushayidi wabyemeje mu mvugo no munyandiko nawe akaba ari nacyo mu
> by'ukuri yaherewe igifungo cya burundu, Adjudent Chef Mugisha Salim wari
> muri FPR/APR special forces zari zishizwe gukora genocide hutu mu Rwanda no
> muri Congo, abatanze ubuhamya bwabo ku bwicanyi bwa FPR/APR kuri Radio
> Inyabutatu, n'abandi. Aba bose ,aba banyakuri, ni bo tuzubakana u Rwanda
> rw'ejo u Rwanda rw'abanyarwnda bose rutavabangura nkuko byabayeho na n'ubu
> akaba ariko bikimeze. Hari inyandiko nigeze kubona ihita kuri izi mbuga
> umwe mu batutsi b'abahezanguni yandika ngo "tuzaca imanzaaaaaaa! kugeza
> igihe isi izashirira!". Nyuma y'aho gato FPR iba izanye gahunda yayo ya
> "ndi umunyarwanda yo gusiga icyaha cya genocide umuhutu wese iyo ava
> akagera; kugirango muzace imanzaaaaaaa! kugeza igihe isi izashirira!.
> Ndagirango nkubwire ko abatutsi bagize uruhare mu gukora genocide hutu mu
> Rwanda no muri Congo DRC bazagira igihe bazacirwa izo manza nabo. Haba ejo
> haba ejobundi, igihe cyabo nabo kizagera. Ikindi nagirango nkubwire n'uko
> biriya FPR namwe abambari bayo mwirirwa mubunza urumuri mu gihe cy'icyunamo
> mu Rwanda no mumahanga no muri za Amabassades nahe, ruriya rumuri rwuzuye
> umwijima rwo kumurikira ubwoko bumwe gusa, umunsi umwe ruzazima kuko
> rutamurikira abanyarwanda bose. (Gasana Anastase, umuyobozi wa
> PRM/MRP-ABASANGIZI, ishyaka rigamije gusangiza abanyarwanda bose ibyiza
> by'igihugu cyabo ntawe uhejejwe inyuma y'urugi).
>
>
>
> 2014-08-12 6:47 GMT-04:00 tatienndolimana miheto tatien2miheto@yahoo.fr
> [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>:
>
> >
> >
> > Ambassador Gasana Anastase,
> >
> > Ndashaka umwanya maze ngusubize birambuye kuko muri message iherutse
> > nagusubije "ijambo rimwe" kandi rishobora kutaguhaza kugirango ubashe
> > kugira icyo wungurwa n'ibyo nasobanuye.
> >
> > Icyo bikoze mpisemo kubanza gutambutsa iyi message itegura igisubizo
> > ndibugenere ibyo wanditse ubihimbahimbye, ukabyandika nta kimenyetso na
> > kimwe ubitangiye nk'aho waba uri umuturage rwimbi utazi uko abantu nkawe
> > (un Docteur PhD, wabaye kandi Professeur d'Université, uba Ministre, uba
> > Ambassadeur none ubu uvuga ko uyoboye ishyaka rya politiki jye mbona wari
> > ukwiye kwita ishyirahamwe/ONG) batanga ibimenyetso by'ibyo bandika.
> > Wagombye rwose kuzirikana urwego rwawe maze ukajya wandika ibintu ariko
> > ukanabitangira ibimenyetso na références à l'instar de toute personne qui
> a
> > goûté aux outils de communication, de gestion de projets et de
> publication.
> >
> > Icyo bikoze arige ari nawe ntawabaye témoin oculaire w'imigendekere
> > y'urugamba kuva 1990 kugeza ku ntambara yiswe iy'abacengezi, ibyo aribyo
> > byose mfite ibyo nzi bihagije byamfasha kunyomoza ibyo uhimba ngo
> byabayeho
> > maze ukanabyita genocide hutu kandi mu by'ukuri ari ibintu witekerereje
> > ufatanyije n'umuntu muhuje ibyo mwita politiki.
> >
> > Ku byerekeye abanyarwanda baguye mu ntambara (abahutu, abatutsi, abatwa),
> > jye nakira neza ubuhamya nya buhamya (apana témoignages ayant été
> corrumpus
> > et ou transformés par "des moules" des machines de soit disant
> > politiciens), nakira neza ubuhamya bw'abarokotse intambara, ni ukuvuga
> > abasirikari ba FAR n'aba APR Inkotanyi kimwe n'ubwabantu biboneye bagenzi
> > babo bayiguyemo, bo bakayirokoka bakaba baragiye bayihunga bakava mu
> byabo
> > bakisha mu gihugu imbere, abandi bakayihunga bakagera Congo,Burundi,
> > Tanzanie n'ahandi, bakongera bakagaruka mu Rwanda cyangwa bakaguma mu
> > buhungiro, nibo bashobora kugira ibyo banyongerera ku byo nzi naho
> > ibihimbano byawe muvandimwe Gasana, wowe utariboneye imipfire nibura
> > y'umuntu umwe rudori mu mpfu z'abanyarwanda usobanura ko ari genocide
> hutu,
> > ukaba nta muntu n'umwe wo mu mulyango wawe wazize intambara wowe wita
> > genocide hutu, ukaba kandi nta muntu n'umwe wo mu mulyango wawe cyangwa
> > umunyarwanda uwo ariwe wese utubwira muri izi nyandiko zawe, ko yaguhaye
> > ubuhamya bwe kubyo yiboneye ku mpfu z'abantu bazize intambara, ibihimbano
> > byawe mfite arguments zifatika zo kubinyomoza.
> >
> > Tuzirikane kandi ko iyi topic twayiganiriye tubanje kuvuga ko tuyirinda
> > parasites (entendez des soit disant politiciens), ko bishobotse twaha
> cyane
> > cyane urubuga abatanga ubuhamya buzira amarangamutima ya politiki,
> ubuhamya
> > bw'ibyababayeho cyangwa ibyabaye ku babo mu mulyango wabo no mu nshuti
> > n'abaturanyi babo bazi neza; hari na message navuzemo ko abagerageza
> > gufata ibikorwa byo kwibuka bakabikoresha politiki, abenshi muri bo
> cyangwa
> > bose, nta n'impuhwe nyakuri, nta ntimba nyakuri batewe n'abo twe (twe
> > abiciwe abacu) twibuka.
> >
> > Ibyo aribyo byose, kuba wowe Gasana Anastase wiyemeje kuzana politiki
> muri
> > uru rugamba rwo kwibuka tuganiraho, jye ndetse wenda n'abandi,
> > turagusobanurira tunakore ibishoboka tukubuze kubasha kuvangira igikorwa
> > noble cyo kwibuka ukizanamo ibihimbano wibwirako bifitiye inyungu gahunda
> > y'umurongo wa politiki urimo.
> >
> > Nkomeje kwizera ko Urwanda n'abanyarwanda, tuzamenya kwigira ku bandi,
> > ndavuga ibihugu byabayemo intambara y'isi yose, maze tugasuzuma uko
> bakora
> > ibikorwa byo kwibuka ababo bazize intambara (victimes militaires et
> > civiles) kandi bakamenya kutabivanga n'ibikorwa byo kwibuka genocide
> > yakorewe abajuifs.
> >
> > Urugamba rwo kwibuka nkwijeje ko ntashobora kuruburira umwanya.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *De :* "SHEMA shimamungu@gmail.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <
> > Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
> > *À :* DHR <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
> > *Envoyé le :* Mardi 12 août 2014 10h18
> > *Objet :* Re: *DHR*(@Tatien) Mémoire aux victimes de 73: Retour de vieux
> > démons
> >
> >
> > Hahaha Ndorimana arasetsa ye! Nta soni yo kuvuga ko biriya Gasana avuga
> > ari ibihimbano?!!! Na "songamane" ngo ni impimbano? Dufite ababyeyi
> > n'abavandimwe babiguye mo même avant 1994. Les rapports sont là,
> > kutazimenya kereka utazi gusoma. Ibi n'inkotanyi nyazo ntizibihakana!
> >
> > Eugène Shimamungu
> > Site: http://www.editions-sources-du-nil.fr/
> > <http://www.editions-sources-du-nil.eu/>
> > Blog: http://www.editions-sources-du-nil.com
> > <http://editions-sources-du-nil.over-blog.com/>
> >
> >
> > 2014-08-11 23:34 GMT+02:00 tatienndolimana miheto tatien2miheto@yahoo.fr
> > [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>:
> >
> >
> > Muvandimwe munyarwanda Gasana,
> >
> > Ntibishoboka kuganira nawe kuko uhimba ibintu ukabikubita aho
> ugasiribanga
> > abasomyi bakumirwa gusa, bakabona ko uri igitangaza aka wa mugani
> w'imvugo
> > nyarwanda.
> >
> > Ibi bikurikira wanditse byose ni ibintu wihimbiye kandi abanyarwanda hafi
> > bose bazi neza ko ari ibinyoma byawe Gasna n'abandi bantu batarenze umwe
> > muhimbimba bimwe.
> >
> > Ng'ibi ibihimbano byawe bituma bidashoboka kungurana ibitekerezo n'inama
> > nawe, ungera wisome as follow:
> >
> > Gasana Anastase ati: " Ubwo buryo FPR Inkotanyi yateguye ikabupanga neza
> > ikanabushyira mu bikorwa mu gukora jenosidey?abahutu ni ubungubu:
> > (1) Guhamagara abaturage ngo nibaze mu nama kumva amabwiriza
> > y?ubuyobozi bushya, bakaburira abatutsi ngo ntibaze muri izo nama, ubundi
> > abaje bose bakababwira ngo nibicare hasi barundanyije ahantu hamwe maze
> > bakabacucuma na machine gun/mitrailleuse, ugerageje kwirukanka akaraswa
> > n?umuzenguruko(cordon) w?abasirikare n?imbunda zabo za Karachinkov na
> AK47;
> > (2) Guhamagara abaturage ngo ni baze gufata imfashanyo z?ibiribwa
> > kugirango baze ari benshi n?abana babo maze babone uko babarundanyiriza
> > hamwe babice ari benshi icyarimwe nka kuriya tumaze kubivuga haruguru;
> > (3) Gushyiraho inkambi z?impunzi mu gihugu hose kandi nta mpamvu yazo
> > no gutegeka abaturage kujya muri izo nkambi ku gahato kugirango byorohere
> > FPR/APR Inkotanyi kurobanura muri izo nkambi abo bajya kwica urusorongo
> > buri munsi aho kugirango bagombe kujya kubasanga mu ngo zabo(urugero:
> > inkamba y?i Byumba, inkambi y?i Rutare, inkambi ya Rwabusoro, inkambi ya
> > Rwabuye i Butare, n?izindi nyinshi tutiriwe turondora zari hose mu
> gihugu);
> > (4) Guhamagara abiyumvamo imbaraga zo kujya mu gisilikare bose
> > kugirango bateranire ahantu hamwe ari benshi bakabapakira amakamyo
> bakajya
> > kubicira ahandi hantu kugirango benewabo batazamenya irengero ryabo
> > bakazahora bibwira ngo ababo binjiye igisilikare byahe birakajya!;
> > (5) Guhamagara abasore n?abagabo biyumvamo imirya ngo ni baze bajye
> > kubafasha gupakira ibiribwa n?inkwi, bakaburiza amakamyo ari benshi
> cyane,
> > bakajya kubicira ahandi hantu, ababo bagategereza amaso agahera mu kirere
> > ariko nyuma bakazamenya ko bishwe ari nabo bagiye batugezaho buriya
> buhamya
> > bwose;
> > (6) Kwicisha abaturage inzara muri izo nkambi zashyizweho mu buryo
> > butari ngombwa ariko bufite icyo bugamije, no kubabwira ngo abafite
> > imbaraga nibanyaruke bajye mu ngo zabo kuzanayo ibyo barya noneho abo
> bose
> > bagiye FPR/APR ikabategera mu nzira bagenda cyangwa se bagaruka ikabica,
> > ababo bagategereza abagiye kuzana ibiribwa bagaheba;
> > (7) Gukusanyiriza abahutu mu makasho ya komini babashinja ibyaha
> > batakoze, byagera ni mugoroba bakabicisha udufuni, abandi bakaraswa, ibi
> > byarabaye hirya no hino mu gihugu;
> > (8) Gusibanganya ibimenyetso bya jenoside y?abahutu FPR/APR Inkotanyi
> > yakoraga batwika imirambo y?abo bishe, abandi bakabajugunya mu migezi,
> > abandi ikabataba mu byobo rusange (dixit gasana Anastase).
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *De :* "Anastase Gasana gasana31@gmail.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <
> > Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
> > *À :* f <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>; f <
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> <ikazeiwacu1@gmail.com>;
> > Amakuru yu Rwanda <amakuruyurwanda@gmail.com>; "
> > amakuruyurwanda.inforwa@blogger.com"
> <amakuruyurwanda.inforwa@blogger.com>;
> > Veritasinfo Ngoga <veritasinfo@yahoo.fr>; Francois Munyabagisha <
> > fmunyabagisha@hotmail.com>; Batungwanayo Felicien
> <batungwanayoj@gmail.com>;
> > Isaac MUKESHIMANA <isamuke5@gmail.com>; Biramahire salvator <
> > biramahire98@gmail.com>; Lyarahoze Samuel <lyar66@yahoo.fr>;
> > johnmugisha2300@gmail.com
> > *Envoyé le :* Lundi 11 août 2014 23h03
> > *Objet :* Re: *DHR*(@Tatien) Mémoire aux victimes de 73: Retour de vieux
> > démons [1 pièce jointe]
> >
> >
> > Muvandimwe munyarwanda Ndolimana,
> > Ndemeranya n'ibyo umuvandimwe wacu Nsenga Callixte yagushubihe hano hasi,
> > akwereka ko mu Rwanda habaye genocide hutu yakozwe na FPR/APR Inkotanyi,
> ko
> > atari degats collateraux nkuko ubivuga, Yaguhaye ingero nyinshi zigufasha
> > kubyumva nkuko wari wabyanditse muri posting yawe uvuga ko nta kintu uzi
> > washingiraho uvuga ko mu Rwanda habaye genocide hutu. Nagirango nunganire
> > Nsenga mu kugufasha niba ubishaka kumva ko mu Rwanda habaye genocide
> hutu.
> > Fata urugero rwa Komini Giti muri Byumba. Kubera umuburugumesitiri
> > w'umuhutu Sebushumba Edouard wazengurukaga kominine amanywa n'ijoro abuza
> > abaturage kwicana. Nta mututsi bahe n'umwe wiciwe muri komini Giti. Ariko
> > FPR ihageze abahutu baho yarabishe biratinda.Uzabaze abatutsi b'aho
> > babirebaga.Kuri paroisse Rwesero iri muri Giti abapadiri n'ababikira
> > b'abahutu bari bahari bose FPR yarabishe, yica na Munyakazi wari
> > juge-perezida wa tribunal ya Canton ya Rutare ariko wari utuye muri Giti
> > n'abandi ba intellectuels, abalimu, abacommercants n'abaturage ba
> > opinion-leaders b'abahutu bo muri iyo Komini. Kuri wowe rero genocide
> hutu
> > yakozwe na FPR/APR muri Komini Giti uyita degats collateraux!? Ite se se
> > kandi nta ntambara yari ihari? Ikibazo wibaza nabonye gisa n'icyo intumwa
> > ya FPR mu nama ya ndi umunyarwanda yabereye i Bruxelles yabajije bityo
> niba
> > ufite akanya kandi ushaka koko kumenya ibya genocide hutu soma uko
> > twamushubije:
> > *ICYO ISHYAKA PRM/MRP-ABASANGIZI RITEKEREZA KU NAMA YA ?NDI UMUNYARWANDA?
> > IHERUTSE KUBERA MU BUBILIGI*
> >
> > Kw?italiki ya 30/11/2013 i Buruseli mu Bubiligi habereye
> > inama yakoreshejwe na Leta ya FPR Inkotanyi mu kwamamaza gahunda yayo
> > y?ikinyoma ya ?ndi umunyarwanda?. Ishyaka PRM/MRP-ABASANGIZI ryatangaje
> > icyo ritekereza kuri iriya gahunda ubwayo n?ibiyihishe inyuma byose mu
> > nyandiko twashyize ahagaragara taliki ya 28/11/2013.
> >
> http://www.therwandan.com/ki/ishyaka-prmmrp-abasangizi-riramagana-gahunda-yi
> totezabwoko-yiswe-ndi-umunyarwanda-ya-fpr-inkotanyi/
> > Mu nyandiko y?uyu munsi, dushishikajwe no kuvuga icyo
> > dutekereza ku byo umwe mu bantu ba FPR bari bayoboye iriya nama y?i
> > Buruseli yavuze mu bwishongozi n?agasuzuguro kenshi ngo ?*abavuga ko
> > habaye jenoside ebyiri, iyakorewe abatutsi n?iyakorewe abahutu (double
> > genocide), iyo y?abahutu yateguwe na nde,yakozwe na nde, yahagaritswe na
> > nde?.*
> > Ishyaka PRM/MRP-ABASANGIZI muri iyi nyandiko rirasubiza
> > kiriya kibazo kuko twababajwe kimwe n?abandi benshi no kuba iriya nama
> y?i
> > Buruseli ya ?ndi umunyarwanda? yararangiye ntawe ushubije kiriya kibazo
> > kandi igisubizo cyacyo gihari tukizi.
> > Ishyaka PRM/MRP-ABASANGIZI ryemera ko ?*Jenoside
> > yakorewe abahutu mu Rwanda no muri Repubulika Iharanira Demokarasi ya
> Congo
> > yateguwe na FPR/APR Inkotanyi, ishyirwa mu bikorwa na FPR/APR
> > Inkotanyi/RDF, yatangiye muri 1990 ihera i Byumba kugeza ubu mu Rwanda
> > hose ntawe urayihagagarika kuko na nubu igikomeza mu buryo bunyuranye
> turi
> > buze kubereka muri iri tangazo?.*
> > FPR Inkotanyi itangiza intambara y?amasasu mu Rwanda kuva
> > taliki ya 1/10/1990, yaje ibeshya abanyarwanda n?amahanga ngo izanye
> > demokarasi, ubutabera no kwishyira ukizana kwa buri munyarwanda mu gihugu
> > cye. Nyamara ukuri kwari uko FPR Inkotanyi ari igiti cyashibutse
> > kw?ishyaka ry?abatutsi b?abahezanguni ryo mu 1959 ryitwaga UNAR(RANU),
> > ikaba yaraje igamije kwihorera ku bahutu ibaziza ko babatwaye ubutegetsi
> > muri 1959 igihe birukanaga ingoma ya Cyami mu Rwanda yari yarabahejeje mu
> > buja mu gihe cy?imyaka irenga magana ane.
> > FPR Inkotanyi n?abayobozi bayo nabo ubwabo bazi ko bakoze
> > jenoside ku bahutu ariko bagatinya iriya nyito, ririya jambo; ku buryo
> > bavuga ngo abantu bazabyite andi mazina yose bashaka ariko ntibazabyite
> > jenoside. Jenoside mu gisobanuro cyayo bivuga ubwicanyi buba bugamije
> > kumaraho igice cy?abantu runaka cyangwa se bose. Iki gisobanuro
> > mpuzamahanga kijyanye neza neza n?ubwicanyi FPR/APR Inkotanyi yakoreye
> > abahutu mu Rwanda no muri Repubulika Iharanira Demokarasi ya Congo kuko
> > yabukoze mu buryo buteguye, bwizwe neza, kandi bumeze kimwe hose mu
> gihugu.
> > Ubwo buryo FPR Inkotanyi yateguye ikabupanga neza
> > ikanabushyira mu bikorwa mu gukora jenosidey?abahutu ni ubungubu:
> > (1) Guhamagara abaturage ngo nibaze mu nama kumva amabwiriza
> > y?ubuyobozi bushya, bakaburira abatutsi ngo ntibaze muri izo nama, ubundi
> > abaje bose bakababwira ngo nibicare hasi barundanyije ahantu hamwe maze
> > bakabacucuma na machine gun/mitrailleuse, ugerageje kwirukanka akaraswa
> > n?umuzenguruko(cordon) w?abasirikare n?imbunda zabo za Karachinkov na
> AK47;
> > (2) Guhamagara abaturage ngo ni baze gufata imfashanyo z?ibiribwa
> > kugirango baze ari benshi n?abana babo maze babone uko babarundanyiriza
> > hamwe babice ari benshi icyarimwe nka kuriya tumaze kubivuga haruguru;
> > (3) Gushyiraho inkambi z?impunzi mu gihugu hose kandi nta mpamvu yazo
> > no gutegeka abaturage kujya muri izo nkambi ku gahato kugirango byorohere
> > FPR/APR Inkotanyi kurobanura muri izo nkambi abo bajya kwica urusorongo
> > buri munsi aho kugirango bagombe kujya kubasanga mu ngo zabo(urugero:
> > inkamba y?i Byumba, inkambi y?i Rutare, inkambi ya Rwabusoro, inkambi ya
> > Rwabuye i Butare, n?izindi nyinshi tutiriwe turondora zari hose mu
> gihugu);
> > (4) Guhamagara abiyumvamo imbaraga zo kujya mu gisilikare bose
> > kugirango bateranire ahantu hamwe ari benshi bakabapakira amakamyo
> bakajya
> > kubicira ahandi hantu kugirango benewabo batazamenya irengero ryabo
> > bakazahora bibwira ngo ababo binjiye igisilikare byahe birakajya!;
> > (5) Guhamagara abasore n?abagabo biyumvamo imirya ngo ni baze bajye
> > kubafasha gupakira ibiribwa n?inkwi, bakaburiza amakamyo ari benshi
> cyane,
> > bakajya kubicira ahandi hantu, ababo bagategereza amaso agahera mu kirere
> > ariko nyuma bakazamenya ko bishwe ari nabo bagiye batugezaho buriya
> buhamya
> > bwose;
> > (6) Kwicisha abaturage inzara muri izo nkambi zashyizweho mu buryo
> > butari ngombwa ariko bufite icyo bugamije, no kubabwira ngo abafite
> > imbaraga nibanyaruke bajye mu ngo zabo kuzanayo ibyo barya noneho abo
> bose
> > bagiye FPR/APR ikabategera mu nzira bagenda cyangwa se bagaruka ikabica,
> > ababo bagategereza abagiye kuzana ibiribwa bagaheba;
> > (7) Gukusanyiriza abahutu mu makasho ya komini babashinja ibyaha
> > batakoze, byagera ni mugoroba bakabicisha udufuni, abandi bakaraswa, ibi
> > byarabaye hirya no hino mu gihugu;
> > (8) Gusibanganya ibimenyetso bya jenoside y?abahutu FPR/APR Inkotanyi
> > yakoraga batwika imirambo y?abo bishe, abandi bakabajugunya mu migezi,
> > abandi ikabataba mu byobo rusange.
> > Ubu buryo bwa FPR/APR Inkotanyi yabukoresheje mu gukora jenoside
> y?abahutu
> > muri perefegitura za Byumba, Ruhengeri, Gisenyi, Kibungo, Kigali Ngali,
> > Gitarama, Butare n?igice cya Gikongoro igihe barimburaga imbaga y?abahutu
> > yari mu nkambi y?i Kibeho imirambo imwe bakayitaba indi bakajya
> kuyitwikira
> > mw?ishyamba rya Nyungwe.Cyangugu na Kibuye n?igice kinini cya Gikongoro
> ni
> > ho FPR itabashije gukoresha buri buryo bwa jenoside mu kwica abahutu kuko
> > hari muri zone Turquoise yari irinzwe n?abasilikare b?Abafaransa.
> > Nyuma ya Kibeho, jenoside y?abahutu yakorwaga na FPR/APR Inkotanyi
> > yarakomeje ariko ihindura isura . Yafashe indi intera ikurikira:
> > (1) Gushimuta no kunyereza abahutu, abasilikare ba APR Inkotanyi
> > babakura mu ngo zabo no mu mayira bakajya kubica mw?ibanga babicisha
> > kubakubita agafuni, n?akandoyi ko kubasatura agatuza;
> > (2) Kwica abagore b?abahutukazi babyara n?impinja zabo mu bitaro no mu
> > bigo nderabuzima;
> > (3) Kurunda abahutu b?inzirakarengane muri gereza bataraburanye,
> > batarakatiwe, emwe nta n?ikirego mu nkiko, icyaha ari ukuba umuhutu gusa
> > kugirango bicirwe n?inzara muri gereza n?imiryango yabo yicwe n?ubukene
> > bwo kugemurira ufunze, abana babo bareke kwiga, ingo zabo zisenyuke,
> mbese
> > bapfe bahagaze ubundi bapfe, nyagupfa bapfiriye muri gereza;
> > (4) Gushyiraho inkiko gacaca zifite gahunda yo gusiga icyaha cya
> > jenoside umubare w?abahutu benshi ushoboka kugirango bakatirwe imyaka
> > ingana n?iyo bashigaje kubaho bityo FPR ibe izi ko bazapfira muri gereza;
> > (5) Kwicisha abahutu bafunze ubujyahabi bwa gereza, uburozi, agafuni,
> > akandoyi, inkoni, urubozo, ubundi FPR ikabeshya abanyarwanda n?amahanga
> ngo
> > igihano cy?urupfu cyavuyeho mu Rwanda kandi izi ko kikiriho muri buriya
> > buryo bundi bwose ikoresha bwo kwica bariya bahutu bafunze.
> > Muri iyi jenoside FPR/APR Inkotanyi yakoreye abahutu mu Rwanda, Ruhengeli
> > na Gisenyi zagize umwihariko wazo wagaragaye mu buryo bukurikira:
> > (1) FPR/APR Inkotanyi yigabagaho ibitero ikabeshya ngo ni abacengezi
> > bateye ahantu runaka kandi mu by?ukuri ari ukugirango babone uko bica
> > abaturage batuye aho hantu nyuma babeshye abanyarwanda n?amahanga ngo abo
> > baturage baguye mu mirwano kandi atari byo;
> > (2) APR yakoze imyitozo ya kajugugu z?intambara mu kwica abaturage
> > bo mu Ruhengeli na Gisenyi yitwaje ngo bihishwemo abacengezi;
> > (3) Kwica abaturage bo mu Ruhengeli bahungiye mu buvumo (grottes)
> > bagirango bakize amagara yabo nuko FPR/APR Inkotanyi ikazana ibimashini
> > bitengangagura imisozi bya caterpillars bigafungisha amabuye n?ibitaka
> > byinshi bwa buvumo(grottes) abaturage bagaheramo batyo bagapfiramwo.
> > Ibi bimenyetso simusiga byose, bigaragaza nta shiti ko FPR/APR Inkotanyi
> > yakoze jenoside y?abahutu. Twagiye tubigezwaho kandi na nubu
> > turacyabibwirwa n?ababihagazeho, ari abahutu bacitse kw?icumu rya
> jenoside
> > ya FPR/APR Inkotanyi, ari n?abatutsi bari bahari bikorwa (abasilikare
> > n?abasivile) kimwe n?abagiye baburirwa cyagwa se baribwa akara ngo be
> kujya
> > muri ibi no muri biriya kugirango batabyicirwamo kandi ubwo bwicanyi
> atari
> > bo bwateguriwe. Bose, ari abahutu ari n?abatutsi, turabashimira
> ukuvugisha
> > ukuri kwabo kuri iriya jenoside y?abahutu yakozwe bareba n?amaso yabo,
> > bakanga guherana ukuri bazi babonye.
> > Ibyo rero FPR Inkotanyi, abayobozi n?abambari bayo bose babeshya ngo
> > ubwicanyi bwabaye ku bahutu ni ubwicanyi bujyanye n?intambara, abapfuye
> > bakaba barahubiranye gusa n?amasasu y?abarwanaga, nta bwo ari byo , ni
> > ikinyoma cyambaye ubusa. FPR ikunze kwigamba ko ngo yahagaritse jenoside
> > y?abatutsi. Twe tukaba tubona ko idakwiye kubyigamba kuko nta kwigamba
> ngo
> > wahagaritse jenoside kandi urimo ukora indi jenoside. Nta kibazo uba
> > ukemuye, ahubwo uba uri umubibyi w?imbuto mbi! FPR ikunze kandi kurega
> > abantu gupfobya jenoside y?abatutsi kandi mu by?ukuri ariyo yayipfobeje
> > rugikubita mu gihe yitwaga ngo irimo kuyihagarika kandi mu by?ukuri
> irimo
> > ikora indi jenoside ku banyarwanda bo mu bwoko bw?abahutu, yenyegeza
> > umuriro kugirango ibone uko yigerera ku butegetsi budasangiwe
> > n?abanyarwanda bose kandi itera muri 1990 yarabeshyaga ngo ni cyo
> irwanira.
> > Ishyaka PRM/MRP-ABASANGIZI risanga kandi abanyarwanda bose bo mu moko
> > yose, amashyaka yose, amashyirahamwe aharanira uburenganzira bwa muntu,
> > abantu ku giti cyabo, amashyirahamwe aharariye abacitse ku icumu rya
> > jeniside zombie, abayobozi b?amadini dukwiye kwishyira hamwe
> tugahaguruka
> > n?ijwi rimwe tukamagana gahunda ya ?ndi umunyarwanda? haba mu Rwanda no
> mu
> > mahanga, tukavuga ukuri kuko iyi gahunda igamije gutera ipfunwe abahutu
> > n?ikimwaro, guhembera inzangano hagati y?abanyarwanda cyane cyane abahutu
> > n?abatutsi no guheza igice kimwe cy?abanyarwanda mu miyoborere y?Igihugu.
> > Bikorewe i Savannah, Georgia muri Leta Zunze Ubumwe za Amerika taliki ya
> > 10/12/2013;
> > Dr. Gasana Anastase, Perezida w?ishyaka PRM/MRP-ABASANGIZI;
> > Mr. Mukeshimana Isaac, Visi-Perezida ushinzwe ibya politiki;
> > Mr. Batungwanayo Janvier, Visi-Perezida ushinzwe ihuzabikorwa.
> > Niba ushaka kutwandikira, kugira icyo utubaza cyangwa se kutwungura
> > ibitekerezo, email yacu ni
> > abasangizi@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > 2014-08-10 3:30 GMT-04:00 Ignace Rudahunga rudahi20@hotmail.com
> > [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>:
> >
> >
> > [Pièces jointes
> >
> <https://fr-mg42.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=7rcs6c299o05f#147c0dec666d4
> af9_147bed3f8a4cffd9_TopText>
> > envoyées par Ignace Rudahunga incluses ci-dessous]
> > Urata igihe ubwira ibi byose NDOLIMANA nka wa mugabo ngo wareberaga abana
> > bahinda abandi muri bya bihe bamubaza bati kuki utababuza ati mbabuze
> > arijye uboshya?
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
> > From: Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
> > Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 08:51:55 +0200
> > Subject: Re: *DHR* Mémoire aux victimes de 73: Retour de vieux démons
> >
> >
> >
> > Mumbabalire technology ya mobile nkoresha irantengushye. Nkosore neza les
> > dernières lignes de mon Posting imaze guhita kugirango yumvikane neza :
> >
> >
> > Ese iyo iyo communauté internationale itaza kwemeza cg kwemera génocide,
> > baliya Bavandimwe b,ababatutsi bapfuye, ntibaba bibukwa ubu?
> >
> > *De: *Nsenga callixte nsengabe@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]
> > *Envoyé: *dimanche 10 août 2014 08:14
> > *À: *Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
> > *Répondre à: *Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
> > *Objet: *Re: *DHR* Mémoire aux victimes de 73: Retour de vieux démons
> >
> >
> >
> > Muvandimwe. Tatien,
> > Aha rero niho nashakaga kugera, Ko uvuga ngo abihayimana baguye i
> > Gakurazo ubashyira mu baguye mu ntambara gusa, i Gitarama aho baguye se
> > hari intambara yahabereye ngo tuvuge ko baguye mu masasu y,abarwanaga?
> > Tuvuge ko byabaye mu buryo twanabasuzugura muli rusange tuvuga ngo ni "
> les
> > dégâts collatéraux ?
> > Ibi mvuga ntugirengo ndi mubahakana ko abatutsi batahohotewe muli muli
> > 1994 ( ntibizongere no kubaho : Never again). Abihayimana b,i Gakurazo,
> nti
> > bishwe kuko bali abihayimana gusa ba Kiliziya Gatolika, ahubwo bishwe
> kuko
> > bali abahutu, kandi ndetse FPR n,ahantu hose yagiye ica niko byagenze:
> > Byumba, Kibungo, u Bugesera bwose, à Mayaga yose, Gikongoro, Congo,
> uzabaze
> > neza nubishaka Uzasanga ko yabanzaga kureba abatutsi cg se abasa nabo
> > yibeshyeho , aha nagirango nkubwire ko n,umututsi wabaga nk,umuntu wali
> > neutre cg wakoreye ingoma y,abahutu ( Kayibanda + Habyalimana)
> bamukaniraga
> > urwo bageneraga abahutu.
> > Uzabaze neza i Butare , bahageze kandi hali ahantu hali abantu benshi
> > neutre, ndetse dukulikije discours rutwitsi ya Sindikubwaho, kuba
> > ntibindeba bifite icyo bivuga, nyamara FPR ihageze yarakubuye ingero
> > nyinshi zirahari z,abantu bahaguye warahize urahazi haba mu i Seminaire
> de
> > Karubanda ndetse uhiga Universite, nkuko igeze mu rukiga aho Yavugaga ko
> > alibo bali bafite ubutegetsi yarakubuye nk,ahaterwa itabi.
> > Nguhaye izo Ngero 2 extrême za 2 régions zitandukanye kugirango nkwereke
> > ko urw,abatutsi b,inzirakarengane bisa neza neza n,urw,abahutu
> > b,inzirakarengane bapfuye. Bombi kuli jye navuga ko abatutsi bapfuye
> bazize
> > ubugome bw,interahamwe z,abahutu extremistes basa neza neza
> n,urw,abahutu
> > bazize ubugome bw,abatutsi b,intagondwa zo muli FPR, gusa itandukaniro ni
> > uko nk,uko ubyemeza kandi koko, ni uko la Communauté internationale
> yemeje
> > ko abatutsi bazize globalement et officiellement icyo bise genocide.
> > Aliko twe abanyarwanda iyo tureba neza kandi tu tatabanje guteguza la
> > communauté internationale, tubona urwo bene wacu bazize b,ababatutsi,
> rusa
> > neza neza n,urwo bene wacu bandi b,abahutu bazize n,ubwo utabyemera.
> > Ubu génocide Hutu ntivugwa aliko ntawamenya kera bite we n,abaliho
> > bafitiye ubushobozi n,ububasha bwo kwita Génocide nk,aho alibo ba padiri
> cg
> > ba pasitoro babatiza, abazaba bacyiliho n,abazaba barapfuye bazabyumva.
> > Kuko kuba Habyalimana yari amaze gupfa ntaho byahaga uburenganzira na
> gato
> > abahutu bwo kwica abatutsi, ndetse kuba FPR y,abatutsi yari isanze
> abatutsi
> > bamaze kwicwa nta uburenganzira na gato bali bafite ngo bagomba kwicira
> > abahutu kubamara ngo barahora. None se justice internationale wemera
> imaze
> > iki?
> > N.B.: aha uraza kumbwira ngo abatutsi bapfuye kuva kera, mbere ya 1994,
> > Byaba byo bitaba byo, iyo Communauté internationale ntabwo yari yigeze i
> > bivuga ko génocide tutsi yari yarabaye mbere ya 1994, yabivuze ali uko
> > bibaye muli 1994.
> > None se twe abanyarwanda niba tudashaka kureba ukuri ngo twige kandi
> > twemere ibyatubayeho Byaba byiza cg bibi, ngo tubisabanire imbabazi, kuki
> > dutegereza la communauté internationale kugirango idutekerereze
> > inatubwilize ibyo tugomba kwemera cg guhakana. Idutegeke kwibuka uyu
> tureke
> > uliya twitwaje ibyo yo yafasheho décision. Ese iyo communauté
> > internationale ite meza génocide, baliya bavandimwe b,ababatutsi bapfuye
> > ntibababwire bibukwa?
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