Dear Mulindwa, let us say humbly that you are completely wrong. Ugandans are not funny people, but very normal and ordinary human creatures adapting themselves to circumstances. None will hurt a dirty hand bringing him food actually. But after that food is eaten, if people see again that feeding hand empty, they will recognise it very dirty, curse it; they may even hurt it until cutting.
That is what you are seeing with Obote cursed with getting single honorary degree while Museveni's honorary degrees are very appreciated. We see similar tragi-comedy being played in many East African countries Sir.
Don't search for angels among animal beings!
> From: mulindwa@look.ca
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED HIM { ---------Series fifteen }
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 03:45:48 -0500
>
> Ugandans are funny people. Do you remember when they went after Obote and getting a honorary degree? It was a topic in UAH for months as Obote never had a degree as how a honorary degree is a sign of dictatorial. Well guess what Yoweri Museveni has the following honorary degrees. {1} University of Humphrey of public affairs, United States Doctor of laws 1994 {2} Mbarara University of science and technology Uganda doctor of laws 2003 {3} Latin university of theology United States doctor of divinity 2007 {4} Faith university Turkey Honorary degree 2010 {5} Makerere University Uganda doctor of laws 2010 {6} University of Der Es Salaam Tanzania Doctor of literature 2011.
>
> And no one has stood up to question them as they questioned Obote's single honorary !!!!!
>
> EM
> On the 49th Parallel
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ikanos Doyen
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 12:35 AM
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED HIM { ---------/Series fifteen }
>
> Like I said...
>
> Many esp. Ug.- Asian citizens now living abroad, have much recorded Uganda 'his-story' inside their suitcases.
>
> The digitalising of them onto media as the 'You Tube'
> as always, is highly appreciated by global villagers
> - whatever titles one choose to use for the ePosts:
>
> Listening, reading, or watching varied sides of his-story may be entertaining, but more importantly educative i.e. to avoid the repeats of the mistakes past or passed
>
> e.g. has Uganda accepted the brutal truth aboutAmin?
> - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9JN8oAy5JU
>
> Peace To The World /
> Amb. Ikanos aka Doyen Alwasi Ata.
>
>
> On 11/26/14, Ocen Nekyon <ocennekyon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > EM;
> >
> > My problem with you is you are trying to carry an argument without
> > necessarily having the required capacity to sustain it.
> >
> > You are now trying to justify the killing of Senior Army officers
> > because it was during a coup. Which basically shows you that you do
> > not have the comprehensive skills to understand the fact that many of
> > these officers were killed weeks after the Coup had succeeded. That is
> > pure and utter murder under any basic law. One can only imagine the
> > trauma faced by their families and friends but I should know because I lost very relatives.
> >
> >
> > If I was to accommodate your way of thinking, which I don't, but for
> > the arguments sake I will agree that it was okay to kill disarmed
> > soldiers who had surrendered. Why then would you have a problem with
> > the unfortunate events around Ombachi; where an undermanned and ill
> > trained UNLA were battling with elements of the then defunct Uganda Army.
> >
> > Many of ex-Uganda troops were camped around the border areas of the
> > now South-Sudan and Eastern Zaire, where they would make occasional
> > incursions into Ombachi.
> >
> > All things being equal; war exacts a heavy price on everybody and
> > civilians suffer big time when caught in the middle as the unfortunate events reveal.
> >
> >
> > But we should also dispense with the stupid notion that you are
> > trying to be reasonable when presenting your arguments.
> >
> >
> > Ocen
> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> > From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:40 PM
> > To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> > Reply To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY
> > TARGETED HIM { ---------Series fifteen }
> >
> > Moses Nekyon
> >
> >
> >
> > You have written very well and you deserve a response.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am going to ignore the abusiveness you have used but simply respond
> > to the facts you have put down for the education of the public. When
> > Amin over-threw the government it was a military over-throw. Soldiers
> > had to be revolved into a new command that was needed. As that change
> > was being done, Acholi and Langi officers rejected the government and
> > started to resist the moment those changes were implemented. January
> > 25/26/27 started to be a chaos for many arrests had to be done and
> > many soldiers were killed. My God Mubende barracks was wiped out for
> > the commander again an Acholi, refused to submit to the new command.
> > He was given to 14 days and the entire barracks was rebuilt, so let
> > usnot kid our selves that Amin was a clean man. He was solider and
> > acted that way. I have seen the list of killing places you have posted
> > but I think also there were soldiers killed in Lubiri as well. When I
> > reach on the lows of Amin I will expand on that. It is important to
> > note that the list of people you are stating to be killed were soldiers, I have never denied that. Look when you join the army you can live or you can die.
> > And in any country. It is therefore important that you isolate
> > yourself from I know all those that died to who was Iddi Amin. There
> > was an attack on Uganda in 1972, Acholi's were being recruited inside
> > George Okello's own bedroom, what did you want the government to do with them?
> >
> >
> >
> > So to me as EM I do not sit here to judge Amin and what he did
> > militarily to the soldiers, I am here to judge him to what he did in
> > the country. Did Iddi Amin target Acholi's and Langis to murder them?
> > No he did not for I have read all your postings and I have not seen a
> > single village you have posted in Acholi land that was blown up by
> > Iddi Amin for he hates them. None what so ever. When you go to the
> > places Acholi's have served they have massacred villages, they go
> > after people than the army. Ocen Amin's soldiers saved the entire
> > population out of the Mutukula war, do you have a single civilian that
> > was saved out of West Nile and Luwero war? What village held the
> > refugee camp? That is the difference between Amin and UNLA. When a
> > government fails to protect the population it is no longer a government. And here is the photograph from the series I have posted just today.
> > [image] Ocen Nekyon this is an old woman that might have not even
> > seen Iddi Amin's face. Her mistake she is from West Nile, a place of
> > birth made Acholi's shoot her and not only shoot her but shoot her in the back.
> > Seriously why didn't George Okello defend this woman for her rights?
> > And her is where it gets so frustrating, in as much as you list the
> > names of soldiers that were killed, you do not have Acholi Langi old
> > ladies laying on gunners for Amin pumped bullets into their backs. On
> > record to today there is no single village in Acholi land that was
> > ever attacked by Uganda Army, absolutely none. Acholi's and Langis got
> > the very same service as all Ugandans did.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now let us go on institutions, yes we come from Africa which is a
> > third world country, but when Amin came to power he never destroyed institutions.
> > He hated Obote but he never blew up Dr. Obote College, he left it
> > standing but changed its name to something I cannot remember, probably
> > Boroboro high or something like that. Sir Samuel Baker was also
> > changed to something I do not remember, but both schools remained
> > serving and students went to school as other students in the country.
> > Amin changed Apollo Hotel to Uganda hotels but still fully funded it
> > and it remained running fully. And her is where the argument becomes
> > very complex, when Acholi's arrived into West Nile, they blew up all
> > schools, all hospitals, all churches and all government buildings.
> > There was no government in West Nile and there was no election in West
> > Nile. Can you list a single government service that Amin pulled out of
> > Acholi land? But I need only one. And I fully understand your agony
> > for you were born in a very small population region where everyone
> > knows everyone and every one is a soldier, so when you get a military
> > take over every family will know a dead man, but do you really want a
> > debate on how Amin lead Uganda? People will stand up and will speak sir for we lived in the country.
> >
> >
> >
> > We need to stand up and go after violence in our people, UPC has to
> > start to accept that the masses is their responsibility to protect,
> > Acholi's need to drop the gun. Our people have suffered enough.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > EM
> >
> > On the 49th Parallel
> >
> > Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri
> > Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na
> > Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
> > machafuko"
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Moses Ocen
> > Nekyon
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:01 PM
> > To: Ugandans At Heart
> > Subject: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED
> > HIM { ---------àSeries fifteen }
> >
> >
> >
> > Folks:
> >
> >
> >
> > For the last couple of days, I have either received private emails or
> > phone calls from a number of UAH members. They were concerned about
> > the rantings of a one Edward Mulindwa, and his "series " on the above topic.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Some were advising me either to ignore him or set the record straight.
> > Most of my replies to these concerned comrades was that Edward
> > Mulindwa, is the least of my worries. As Mr Pojim aptly pointed out;
> > "an idle mind is the devils workshop." What amused me is that the
> > receipient did not realize he had just been insulted.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The only little note of concern is who is actually believing some of
> > gibberish being presented as a series. As turbulent as our short
> > history has been, it is quite amazing to note that few people know
> > the facts or if they do, it is skewed irrespective of the evidence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Case in point: there are many people including EM who believe that
> > Idi Amin, built Uganda House-New York. A lot of evidence exists to
> > debunk that theory but as I said before; skewed minds will always remain skewed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That being said; we should always remember that finishing up somebody
> > else's concept is a lot easier than starting and finishing ones own!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On the main issue of the culpability of Acholi's and Langi's in
> > regards to fighting Idi Amin, again a lot of information is being
> > omited. whether by ignorance or intent, I am not going to even try and figure that out.
> > Outright avoidance in talking about the of events around the January
> > 25th Coup masks the true nature of Acholi's and Langi's opposition to Idi Amin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Let me summarize a few things for all to ponder:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 1) During the first week of the January 25th Coup, most or all Luo
> > officers from the rank of Major and up were rounded up and imprisoned.
> > These included all the Battalion and Brigade commanders who were on
> > leave and thus did not participate in the Coup or efforts to counter it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The reason why the officers were easily rounded up was because an
> > announcement was made by the new government ordering all officers to
> > report back to duty. Public and private assurances were made to the
> > effect there would be no recriminations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Shortly after that announcement, my mother got a call from my father's
> > younger brother; Lt Colonel John Baptist Oboma-Ayume, who was in
> > hiding. He
> > (Oboma) was the commander of the Battalion based out of Fort Portal.
> > He was telling her (Mom) that everything was okay and he was in the
> > process of reporting to which she objected to. The reason being she
> > had had a conversation with a Dr George Ebine, my father's cousin,
> > whose sad tale makes up part of the movie "The Rise and Fall of Idi Amin."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > He (Ebine) specifically told my Mom to convey a message to my Father
> > and his brother (Oboma) not to come out of hiding because being
> > stationed in Mulago Hospital and it's Morgue, he was seeing the
> > regimes first victims. And those were the" lucky ones" whose bodies
> > did not become part of the "diet" for River Nile Crocodiles.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2) Many of the surrendering officers were either transferred to the
> > Makindye Barracks's Gowdown or one of the small prisons in Mutukula in
> > the area bordering Tanzania. One of the persons sent to Mutukula was
> > the Head of CID, a one Hassan who was Persian by origin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The "reward" given to these unfortunate souls by Edward Mulindwa's
> > hero, Idi Amin, for cooperating was being blown by dynamite sticks.
> > It is said that a couple of people survived the blast and we're finished off with Axes:
> > that was the fate of the former head of CID Hassan.
> >
> >
> >
> > All this happened during the first weeks of the Coup before anybody
> > could get a good read for the things to come;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 3) Then came 1972 after the invasion of exiles from Tanzania: the
> > events at the Mbarara and Moroto Barracks are a tale for another day
> > due to space and time;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 4) I have written extensively about the brutal murder of the late
> > Archbishop Janani Luwum, and the two ministers. So I do not want
> > repeat stuff, however; it is important to note that after being told
> > by Edward Mulindwa, that he would provide proof of how the Archbishop
> > smuggled arms through Tanzania, a really tall tale began to be yarned.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > According to him(Mulindwa) based on a law "passed" by parliament any
> > senior officer in government could clear containers through the
> > border. Two things are odd with Mulindwa's statement: one being
> > parliament had been disbanded and the old parliament had never passed
> > such a ridulous law. When asked to provide the section of the 1967
> > constitution that sanctioned such authority, he (Mulindwa) went mute.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mulindwa went on to narrate how the container came through Mombasa and
> > was cleared by YY Okoth at Malaba. The little problem he is (Mulindwa)
> > is talking about Kenya and not Tanzania where fellows like me were residing.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm willing to bet that Edward Mulindwa did not do well in Geography.
> >
> >
> >
> > In the same vein; Hussein Amin, once claimed that the late Archbishop
> > Janani Luwum, confessed in front of the international press of his
> > involvement in a Coup Attempt against the then government.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What I said then I will say again: feel free to post any articles of
> > proof of the late Archbishop confessing about the said "coup!"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 5) Last but not least; there are is the harrowing tale of Okello
> > Lawoko, who was also imprisoned within the dungeons of State Research
> > Bureau (SRB). He witnessed and describes in detail how the likes of
> > Farouk Minawa, who was the then head of (SRB), broke the Archbishop's
> > jaw for simply kneeling and praying. It seems that one act by the
> > late Archbishop infuriated the Farouk Minawa's to no end.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I for one can never condemn a whole tribe based on the actions of a
> > few individuals as is being attempted here. Somehow it is okay based
> > on the heading above to blame Acholi's and Langi's but not do the same
> > to West Nilers and Nubians who populated Idi Amin's killing machines.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That is the level of shallow thinking we have sunk to.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ocen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> >
> > From: Allan
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:30 AM
> >
> > To: ug at
> >
> > Reply To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY
> > TARGETED HIM { ---------àSeries fifteen }
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh yea?
> > Wait when the war ends after Katonga river and Rwanda closes her boarder.
> >
> > On Nov 26, 2014 10:14 AM, "MAYIMUNA KENYI" <mayimuna@rogers.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ombaci! I always heard of the Ombaci Massacre but I had never
> >> actually read about it or known how it happened. I've just read this
> >> report and Oooh! terrible. May the poor souls RIP!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:22 PM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa
> >> <mulindwa@look.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ombaci (English)
> >>
> >> Ombaci (Lugbara)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Stay in the forum for Series sixteen is on the way ------>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> EM
> >>
> >> On the 49th Parallel
> >>
> >> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri
> >> Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> >> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na
> >> Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
> >> machafuko"
>
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> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED HIM { ---------Series fifteen }
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 03:45:48 -0500
>
> Ugandans are funny people. Do you remember when they went after Obote and getting a honorary degree? It was a topic in UAH for months as Obote never had a degree as how a honorary degree is a sign of dictatorial. Well guess what Yoweri Museveni has the following honorary degrees. {1} University of Humphrey of public affairs, United States Doctor of laws 1994 {2} Mbarara University of science and technology Uganda doctor of laws 2003 {3} Latin university of theology United States doctor of divinity 2007 {4} Faith university Turkey Honorary degree 2010 {5} Makerere University Uganda doctor of laws 2010 {6} University of Der Es Salaam Tanzania Doctor of literature 2011.
>
> And no one has stood up to question them as they questioned Obote's single honorary !!!!!
>
> EM
> On the 49th Parallel
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ikanos Doyen
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 12:35 AM
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED HIM { ---------/Series fifteen }
>
> Like I said...
>
> Many esp. Ug.- Asian citizens now living abroad, have much recorded Uganda 'his-story' inside their suitcases.
>
> The digitalising of them onto media as the 'You Tube'
> as always, is highly appreciated by global villagers
> - whatever titles one choose to use for the ePosts:
>
> Listening, reading, or watching varied sides of his-story may be entertaining, but more importantly educative i.e. to avoid the repeats of the mistakes past or passed
>
> e.g. has Uganda accepted the brutal truth aboutAmin?
> - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9JN8oAy5JU
>
> Peace To The World /
> Amb. Ikanos aka Doyen Alwasi Ata.
>
>
> On 11/26/14, Ocen Nekyon <ocennekyon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > EM;
> >
> > My problem with you is you are trying to carry an argument without
> > necessarily having the required capacity to sustain it.
> >
> > You are now trying to justify the killing of Senior Army officers
> > because it was during a coup. Which basically shows you that you do
> > not have the comprehensive skills to understand the fact that many of
> > these officers were killed weeks after the Coup had succeeded. That is
> > pure and utter murder under any basic law. One can only imagine the
> > trauma faced by their families and friends but I should know because I lost very relatives.
> >
> >
> > If I was to accommodate your way of thinking, which I don't, but for
> > the arguments sake I will agree that it was okay to kill disarmed
> > soldiers who had surrendered. Why then would you have a problem with
> > the unfortunate events around Ombachi; where an undermanned and ill
> > trained UNLA were battling with elements of the then defunct Uganda Army.
> >
> > Many of ex-Uganda troops were camped around the border areas of the
> > now South-Sudan and Eastern Zaire, where they would make occasional
> > incursions into Ombachi.
> >
> > All things being equal; war exacts a heavy price on everybody and
> > civilians suffer big time when caught in the middle as the unfortunate events reveal.
> >
> >
> > But we should also dispense with the stupid notion that you are
> > trying to be reasonable when presenting your arguments.
> >
> >
> > Ocen
> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> > From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:40 PM
> > To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> > Reply To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY
> > TARGETED HIM { ---------Series fifteen }
> >
> > Moses Nekyon
> >
> >
> >
> > You have written very well and you deserve a response.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am going to ignore the abusiveness you have used but simply respond
> > to the facts you have put down for the education of the public. When
> > Amin over-threw the government it was a military over-throw. Soldiers
> > had to be revolved into a new command that was needed. As that change
> > was being done, Acholi and Langi officers rejected the government and
> > started to resist the moment those changes were implemented. January
> > 25/26/27 started to be a chaos for many arrests had to be done and
> > many soldiers were killed. My God Mubende barracks was wiped out for
> > the commander again an Acholi, refused to submit to the new command.
> > He was given to 14 days and the entire barracks was rebuilt, so let
> > usnot kid our selves that Amin was a clean man. He was solider and
> > acted that way. I have seen the list of killing places you have posted
> > but I think also there were soldiers killed in Lubiri as well. When I
> > reach on the lows of Amin I will expand on that. It is important to
> > note that the list of people you are stating to be killed were soldiers, I have never denied that. Look when you join the army you can live or you can die.
> > And in any country. It is therefore important that you isolate
> > yourself from I know all those that died to who was Iddi Amin. There
> > was an attack on Uganda in 1972, Acholi's were being recruited inside
> > George Okello's own bedroom, what did you want the government to do with them?
> >
> >
> >
> > So to me as EM I do not sit here to judge Amin and what he did
> > militarily to the soldiers, I am here to judge him to what he did in
> > the country. Did Iddi Amin target Acholi's and Langis to murder them?
> > No he did not for I have read all your postings and I have not seen a
> > single village you have posted in Acholi land that was blown up by
> > Iddi Amin for he hates them. None what so ever. When you go to the
> > places Acholi's have served they have massacred villages, they go
> > after people than the army. Ocen Amin's soldiers saved the entire
> > population out of the Mutukula war, do you have a single civilian that
> > was saved out of West Nile and Luwero war? What village held the
> > refugee camp? That is the difference between Amin and UNLA. When a
> > government fails to protect the population it is no longer a government. And here is the photograph from the series I have posted just today.
> > [image] Ocen Nekyon this is an old woman that might have not even
> > seen Iddi Amin's face. Her mistake she is from West Nile, a place of
> > birth made Acholi's shoot her and not only shoot her but shoot her in the back.
> > Seriously why didn't George Okello defend this woman for her rights?
> > And her is where it gets so frustrating, in as much as you list the
> > names of soldiers that were killed, you do not have Acholi Langi old
> > ladies laying on gunners for Amin pumped bullets into their backs. On
> > record to today there is no single village in Acholi land that was
> > ever attacked by Uganda Army, absolutely none. Acholi's and Langis got
> > the very same service as all Ugandans did.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now let us go on institutions, yes we come from Africa which is a
> > third world country, but when Amin came to power he never destroyed institutions.
> > He hated Obote but he never blew up Dr. Obote College, he left it
> > standing but changed its name to something I cannot remember, probably
> > Boroboro high or something like that. Sir Samuel Baker was also
> > changed to something I do not remember, but both schools remained
> > serving and students went to school as other students in the country.
> > Amin changed Apollo Hotel to Uganda hotels but still fully funded it
> > and it remained running fully. And her is where the argument becomes
> > very complex, when Acholi's arrived into West Nile, they blew up all
> > schools, all hospitals, all churches and all government buildings.
> > There was no government in West Nile and there was no election in West
> > Nile. Can you list a single government service that Amin pulled out of
> > Acholi land? But I need only one. And I fully understand your agony
> > for you were born in a very small population region where everyone
> > knows everyone and every one is a soldier, so when you get a military
> > take over every family will know a dead man, but do you really want a
> > debate on how Amin lead Uganda? People will stand up and will speak sir for we lived in the country.
> >
> >
> >
> > We need to stand up and go after violence in our people, UPC has to
> > start to accept that the masses is their responsibility to protect,
> > Acholi's need to drop the gun. Our people have suffered enough.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > EM
> >
> > On the 49th Parallel
> >
> > Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri
> > Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na
> > Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
> > machafuko"
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Moses Ocen
> > Nekyon
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:01 PM
> > To: Ugandans At Heart
> > Subject: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED
> > HIM { ---------àSeries fifteen }
> >
> >
> >
> > Folks:
> >
> >
> >
> > For the last couple of days, I have either received private emails or
> > phone calls from a number of UAH members. They were concerned about
> > the rantings of a one Edward Mulindwa, and his "series " on the above topic.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Some were advising me either to ignore him or set the record straight.
> > Most of my replies to these concerned comrades was that Edward
> > Mulindwa, is the least of my worries. As Mr Pojim aptly pointed out;
> > "an idle mind is the devils workshop." What amused me is that the
> > receipient did not realize he had just been insulted.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The only little note of concern is who is actually believing some of
> > gibberish being presented as a series. As turbulent as our short
> > history has been, it is quite amazing to note that few people know
> > the facts or if they do, it is skewed irrespective of the evidence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Case in point: there are many people including EM who believe that
> > Idi Amin, built Uganda House-New York. A lot of evidence exists to
> > debunk that theory but as I said before; skewed minds will always remain skewed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That being said; we should always remember that finishing up somebody
> > else's concept is a lot easier than starting and finishing ones own!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On the main issue of the culpability of Acholi's and Langi's in
> > regards to fighting Idi Amin, again a lot of information is being
> > omited. whether by ignorance or intent, I am not going to even try and figure that out.
> > Outright avoidance in talking about the of events around the January
> > 25th Coup masks the true nature of Acholi's and Langi's opposition to Idi Amin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Let me summarize a few things for all to ponder:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 1) During the first week of the January 25th Coup, most or all Luo
> > officers from the rank of Major and up were rounded up and imprisoned.
> > These included all the Battalion and Brigade commanders who were on
> > leave and thus did not participate in the Coup or efforts to counter it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The reason why the officers were easily rounded up was because an
> > announcement was made by the new government ordering all officers to
> > report back to duty. Public and private assurances were made to the
> > effect there would be no recriminations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Shortly after that announcement, my mother got a call from my father's
> > younger brother; Lt Colonel John Baptist Oboma-Ayume, who was in
> > hiding. He
> > (Oboma) was the commander of the Battalion based out of Fort Portal.
> > He was telling her (Mom) that everything was okay and he was in the
> > process of reporting to which she objected to. The reason being she
> > had had a conversation with a Dr George Ebine, my father's cousin,
> > whose sad tale makes up part of the movie "The Rise and Fall of Idi Amin."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > He (Ebine) specifically told my Mom to convey a message to my Father
> > and his brother (Oboma) not to come out of hiding because being
> > stationed in Mulago Hospital and it's Morgue, he was seeing the
> > regimes first victims. And those were the" lucky ones" whose bodies
> > did not become part of the "diet" for River Nile Crocodiles.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2) Many of the surrendering officers were either transferred to the
> > Makindye Barracks's Gowdown or one of the small prisons in Mutukula in
> > the area bordering Tanzania. One of the persons sent to Mutukula was
> > the Head of CID, a one Hassan who was Persian by origin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The "reward" given to these unfortunate souls by Edward Mulindwa's
> > hero, Idi Amin, for cooperating was being blown by dynamite sticks.
> > It is said that a couple of people survived the blast and we're finished off with Axes:
> > that was the fate of the former head of CID Hassan.
> >
> >
> >
> > All this happened during the first weeks of the Coup before anybody
> > could get a good read for the things to come;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 3) Then came 1972 after the invasion of exiles from Tanzania: the
> > events at the Mbarara and Moroto Barracks are a tale for another day
> > due to space and time;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 4) I have written extensively about the brutal murder of the late
> > Archbishop Janani Luwum, and the two ministers. So I do not want
> > repeat stuff, however; it is important to note that after being told
> > by Edward Mulindwa, that he would provide proof of how the Archbishop
> > smuggled arms through Tanzania, a really tall tale began to be yarned.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > According to him(Mulindwa) based on a law "passed" by parliament any
> > senior officer in government could clear containers through the
> > border. Two things are odd with Mulindwa's statement: one being
> > parliament had been disbanded and the old parliament had never passed
> > such a ridulous law. When asked to provide the section of the 1967
> > constitution that sanctioned such authority, he (Mulindwa) went mute.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mulindwa went on to narrate how the container came through Mombasa and
> > was cleared by YY Okoth at Malaba. The little problem he is (Mulindwa)
> > is talking about Kenya and not Tanzania where fellows like me were residing.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm willing to bet that Edward Mulindwa did not do well in Geography.
> >
> >
> >
> > In the same vein; Hussein Amin, once claimed that the late Archbishop
> > Janani Luwum, confessed in front of the international press of his
> > involvement in a Coup Attempt against the then government.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What I said then I will say again: feel free to post any articles of
> > proof of the late Archbishop confessing about the said "coup!"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 5) Last but not least; there are is the harrowing tale of Okello
> > Lawoko, who was also imprisoned within the dungeons of State Research
> > Bureau (SRB). He witnessed and describes in detail how the likes of
> > Farouk Minawa, who was the then head of (SRB), broke the Archbishop's
> > jaw for simply kneeling and praying. It seems that one act by the
> > late Archbishop infuriated the Farouk Minawa's to no end.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I for one can never condemn a whole tribe based on the actions of a
> > few individuals as is being attempted here. Somehow it is okay based
> > on the heading above to blame Acholi's and Langi's but not do the same
> > to West Nilers and Nubians who populated Idi Amin's killing machines.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That is the level of shallow thinking we have sunk to.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ocen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> >
> > From: Allan
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:30 AM
> >
> > To: ug at
> >
> > Reply To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY
> > TARGETED HIM { ---------àSeries fifteen }
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh yea?
> > Wait when the war ends after Katonga river and Rwanda closes her boarder.
> >
> > On Nov 26, 2014 10:14 AM, "MAYIMUNA KENYI" <mayimuna@rogers.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ombaci! I always heard of the Ombaci Massacre but I had never
> >> actually read about it or known how it happened. I've just read this
> >> report and Oooh! terrible. May the poor souls RIP!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:22 PM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa
> >> <mulindwa@look.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ombaci (English)
> >>
> >> Ombaci (Lugbara)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Stay in the forum for Series sixteen is on the way ------>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> EM
> >>
> >> On the 49th Parallel
> >>
> >> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri
> >> Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> >> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na
> >> Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
> >> machafuko"
>
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