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Wednesday, 10 June 2015

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Martin,

Tuzi twese ko Kagame azahindura itegekonshinga kandi nta nagaruka bizatera kuri we. Cyakora si ngombwa ikininamico ryo kurushya abanyarwanda abasaba ko bamwandikira inyandiko zibimusaba manda ya 3 kandi twese tuzi ko n'izo nyandiko atari ngombwa. Njye mbona ibyo Kagame akora ari nk'iby'abana. Nakoreshe referendum tuzi twese ko izavamo ibyo ashaka, maze areke gufata abanyarwanda nk'ibicucu, nkaho batabona impamvu z'izo nyandiko. Ibyo bibazo Kagame nawe yagombye kubyibaza ashaka kugira ngo azasigire abanyarwanda umurage wa stabilite utarangwamo no gihindura uko ubishatse kugira ngo urambe ku butegetsi. Kagame niyicare atekereze niba yabyishimira mu gihe ataza aba ari Perezida w'u Rwanda, maze akabona uwamusimbuye ahindura itegekonshiga uko yishakiye kugira ngo arambe ku butegetsi.

From: "Martin Bangamwabo mbangamwabo@yahoo.fr [amakurunamateka]" <amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [amakurunamateka.com] Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] Guhinduka kw'itegekonshinga mu Rwanda bizabyara ibibazo byinshi.

Franchement umbabarire niwumva nkubwiye nabi.
Ibi bibazo wibajije nta bibazo birimo.

Ukeka ko guhindura itegekonshinga ari cyo kintu cya mbere gikomeye uriya mugabo yaba akoze abanyarwanda batabishaka!.

Cyakora si wowe wenyine wibaza ibibazo nk'ibi. Natwe twese turabyibaza ariko nta shingiro bifite.
Ukeka ko abanyarwanda bose bamutoye muri 2003 no muri 2010? Barabiyobewe se? Bakoze se iki?

Ukeka ko bariya banyapolitiki bari muri forum y'amashyaka ariko bakaba bameze nk'abana bicaye mu mbari bareba se mu Kirambi bategereje ko avuga ujya gutashya inkwi, ujya kuvoma cyangwa uwahura inka, ukeka ko babyishimiye? babishaka?

Ukeka ko abanyarwanda babwirwa ngo muteme urutoke mutere indabo. Bagatema bagatera indabo, ukeka ko babyishimiye? Nyamara barabikora.
Ukeka ko ababwirwa ngo 20% y'imishahara yanyu yagiye mu gaciro, bakinumira. Ukeka ko babyishimiye?

Kagame azahindura itegekonshinga kandi ntacyo bizamutwara. Naho ibizaba nyuma bizareba abazaza nyuma ye.

C'est tout.

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Objet : [fondationbanyarwanda] Guhinduka kw'itegekonshinga mu Rwanda bizabyara ibibazo byinshi.

Guhinduka kw'itegeknshinga mu Rwanda bizabyara ibibazo byinshi.

Abaturage kwandikira Kagame ko bashaka ko yongera kwiyamamaza ntibihagije. Dore bimwe mu byo nibaza:

1) Ese ubundi Kagame azabigenza gute mu guhindura itegekonshinga, ni ryari guhindura itegekonshinga bizahagarara?
2) Ese itegekonshinga nirihinduka, bizasobanura ko nta manda zitazongera kubaho mu Rwanda, ntamatora ya Perezida wa Republika azongera kubaho, Kagame azategeka kugeza apfuye cyangwa se kugeza igihe yasezeye. Nyuma y'aho se bizagenda bite?
3) None se uzamusimbura azakomeza nta manda y'imyaka ahawe ? Ese koko abanyarwanda bashaka gutegekwa imyaka 7 yose nta matora abaye ?
4) Tuvuge ko Kagame yemeje ko manda itaha ari iyanyuma, bisobanura se ko ubwo manda zizajya ziba eshatu gusa, maze n'uzamusimbura akagira manda eshatu. Uwo murage Kagame azaba asigiye u Rwanda se niwo abanyarwand abashaka ?
5) Imaya 7 se izakomeza ikoreshwe mu ihinduka ry'itegekonshinga ?
6) Ese hari izindi referendum zizakorshwa kugira ibyo Kagame azaba yemeje muri iyi referendum bizakurweho n'abazamusimbura
7) Byaba manda eshatu y'imayak 7 cyangwa se 5, byaba gutegeka kugeza Kagame yivanyeho, hishwe, bamukoreye coup d'Etat cyangwa se yishwe n'indwara, cyangwa kubera ko atagishoboye, ibi byose siwo murage Kagame azaba asigiye u abanyarwanda bashaka ?

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[amakurunamateka.com] Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] Guhinduka kw’itegekonshinga mu Rwanda bizabyara ibibazo byinshi.

Franchement umbabarire niwumva nkubwiye nabi.

Ibi bibazo wibajije nta bibazo birimo.

Ukeka ko guhindura itegekonshinga ari cyo kintu cya mbere gikomeye uriya mugabo yaba akoze abanyarwanda batabishaka!.

Cyakora si wowe wenyine wibaza ibibazo nk'ibi. Natwe twese turabyibaza ariko nta shingiro bifite.

Ukeka ko abanyarwanda bose bamutoye muri 2003 no muri 2010? Barabiyobewe se? Bakoze se iki?

Ukeka ko bariya banyapolitiki bari muri forum y'amashyaka ariko bakaba bameze nk'abana bicaye mu mbari bareba se mu Kirambi bategereje ko avuga ujya gutashya inkwi, ujya kuvoma cyangwa uwahura inka, ukeka ko babyishimiye? babishaka?

Ukeka ko abanyarwanda babwirwa ngo muteme urutoke mutere indabo. Bagatema bagatera indabo, ukeka ko babyishimiye? Nyamara barabikora.

Ukeka ko ababwirwa ngo 20% y'imishahara yanyu yagiye mu gaciro, bakinumira. Ukeka ko babyishimiye?

Kagame azahindura itegekonshinga kandi ntacyo bizamutwara. Naho ibizaba nyuma bizareba abazaza nyuma ye.

C'est tout.

De : "Alfred Nganzo alfrednganzo@yahoo.com [fondationbanyarwanda]" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>
À : "amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com" <amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com>; F. <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>; F. <urwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé le : Mardi 9 juin 2015 12h37
Objet : [fondationbanyarwanda] Guhinduka kw'itegekonshinga mu Rwanda bizabyara ibibazo byinshi.

Guhinduka kw'itegeknshinga mu Rwanda bizabyara ibibazo byinshi.

Abaturage kwandikira Kagame ko bashaka ko yongera kwiyamamaza ntibihagije. Dore bimwe mu byo nibaza:

1) Ese ubundi Kagame azabigenza gute mu guhindura itegekonshinga, ni ryari guhindura itegekonshinga bizahagarara?

2) Ese itegekonshinga nirihinduka, bizasobanura ko nta manda zitazongera kubaho mu Rwanda, ntamatora ya Perezida wa Republika azongera kubaho, Kagame azategeka kugeza apfuye cyangwa se kugeza igihe yasezeye. Nyuma y'aho se bizagenda bite?

3) None se uzamusimbura azakomeza nta manda y'imyaka ahawe ? Ese koko abanyarwanda bashaka gutegekwa imyaka 7 yose nta matora abaye ?

4) Tuvuge ko Kagame yemeje ko manda itaha ari iyanyuma, bisobanura se ko ubwo manda zizajya ziba eshatu gusa, maze n'uzamusimbura akagira manda eshatu. Uwo murage Kagame azaba asigiye u Rwanda se niwo abanyarwand abashaka ?

5) Imaya 7 se izakomeza ikoreshwe mu ihinduka ry'itegekonshinga ?

6) Ese hari izindi referendum zizakorshwa kugira ibyo Kagame azaba yemeje muri iyi referendum bizakurweho n'abazamusimbura

7) Byaba manda eshatu y'imayak 7 cyangwa se 5, byaba gutegeka kugeza Kagame yivanyeho, hishwe, bamukoreye coup d'Etat cyangwa se yishwe n'indwara, cyangwa kubera ko atagishoboye, ibi byose siwo murage Kagame azaba asigiye u abanyarwanda bashaka ?

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[amakurunamateka.com] U Rwanda na Zambia biracyarwana no gucyura Abanyarwanda bakuriweho ubuhunzi

Nkuko twakomeje kubivuga, Kagame akomeje guhiga abahutu aho bari hose. Zambiya ubu niyo yibanzweho cyane. Ndetse gufungura Ambassade muri Zambiya akaba ari ukugira ngo bakomeze kubahiga.Ikindi kandi Mushikiwabo yishimiye ko bamwe mu banyarwanda baba muri Zambiya bambuwe ibyagombwa byo guhinga imilima. Ibi byose maze iminsi mbisobanura mvuga uburyo umututsi ari umwanzi w'umuhutu, uburyo umututsi ari inzoka, uburyo umututsi ari umugome. Gushaka ko abahutu bose bataha si ukubakunda, si ukubifuriza ibyiza. Kagame afite umujinya kuko abona ko bashobora kwitunga bari hanze, ko badakeneye Kagame. Nyuma y'imyaka 20, niba umunyarwanda ari muri Zambia n'ahandi, akaba nta kintu afite mu Rwanda, akaba yikorera, akaba yitunze, Kagame aramushaka mu Rwanda ngo ahamare iki? Aramushaka mu Rwanda ngo ajye kurwanira udusambu n'abavandimwe yasize kandi nabo bakoresha utwo dusambu kugira ngo babeho. Umututsi ashaka ko abona ko wowe muhutu ukennye, ko kandi umukeneye. Kagame rero ashaka ko abahutu bose bamuba hafi, bagakena abareba. Ni uko kera mu gihe cy'ubwami umututsi yabonaga kandi agakoresha umuhutu.

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U Rwanda na Zambia biracyarwana no gucyura Abanyarwanda bakuriweho ubuhunzi

Minisitiri w'Ububanyi n' Amahanga w'u Rwanda, Louise Mushikiwabo, yatangaje ko u Rwanda na Zambia biri gukorana ngo impunzi z'Abanyarwanda ziri muri kiriya gihugu zishobore gutahuka.

Icyemezo cyo gukuraho ubuhunzi ku Banyarwanda kuwa 30 Kamena 2013, cyagize ingaruka ku bagera ku 4000 bahungiye muri Zambia, bamwe muri bo bakaba batarashaka gutaha.

Mu kiganiro Minisitiri w' Ububanyi n' Amahanga w'u Rwanda na mugenzi we wa Zambia, Harry Kalaba, bagiranye n' abanyamakuru kuri iki Cyumweru, Mushikiwabo yavuze ko gucyura izi mpunzi atari ibintu bishobora gukorwa umunsi umwe.

Yagize ati"Turi gufatanya hagati y' Ishami ry' Umuryango w'Abibumbye ryita ku Mpunzi, Guverinoma ya Zambia na Minisiteri ishinzwe impunzi, kandi kugeza ubu ubufatanye buragenda neza. Nk' uko mubizi rimwe na rimwe impunzi ntabwo zihora ziteguye gutaha. Hari ibigikeneye gukorwa kandi ndumva aribyo turimo."

Yakomeje agira ati "Bamwe baratashye, kandi ni ngombwa kumva ko gahunda y' Umuryango w' Abibumbye yo gukuraho ubuhunzi itavuga ko impunzi zose zicyurwa ku ngufu. Yashyiriweho abari biteguye bafite amakuru yose bakeneye ngo batahe, abakeneye gutuzwa nabo bishobora gukorwa ariko bitangwa n' igihugu cyabakiriye."

Mu nama yabereye i Lusaka muri Zambia muri Nyakanga 2013, ibihugu byombi byiyemeje gufatanya mu gushakira igisubizo ikibazo cy'abari bamaze kwamburwa ibyangombwa by' ubuhunzi harimo gutahuka ku bushake cyangwa gutuzwa ku babyemererwa n' igihugu.

U Rwanda na Zambia bikomeje kunoza umubano, byongeye mu mwaka ushize w' hatangajwe ku mugaragaro ko u Rwanda rugiye gufungura Ambasade i Lusaka muri Zambia.

Minisitiri w' Ububanyi n' Amahanga wa Zambia, Harry Kalaba, ari mu Rwanda kuva kuri uyu wa Gatandatu, mu uruzinduko rugamije gushimangira umubano hagati y' ibihugu byombi.

Bimwe mu byaganiriweho hagati y' impande zombi, harimo kuzamura ubucuruzi hagati y' u Rwanda na Zambia harimo nk' isima n' isukari biboneka cyane muri Zambia, ubufatanye mu butabera no gufatanya mu gushakira amahoro akarere nk' ibihugu byo mu karere k'Ibiyaga bigari.

http://www.igihe.com/amakuru/u-rwanda/article/u-rwanda-na-zambia-biracyarwana-no

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Tuesday, 9 June 2015

[amakurunamateka.com] FW: {UAH} Ocen, Kipenji//We are no longer a colony, government tells EU envoys

See well dear Ugandans! Africans are right. Westerner powers are not serious, credible with their principles/saying. Africans have no choice but behave like that child who abuses after remarking his parents are too soft or blind!

A short example:

No westerner leader can spend 20 years in office, unless king or queen. These westerners agree with Africans for the same principle. They send experts to see how governments are doing, send monitoring teams for African election and pour money in. And, when Africans start changing their fundamental laws or use various tactics to stay for life in office, the same westerners are still there to support and pour money where needed.

So what do you want greedy Africans to do in such circumstances?

Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 12:01:32 +0000
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: {UAH} Ocen, Kipenji//We are no longer a colony, government tells EU envoys

Edward Pojim,

Our friend Ofwono Opondo misleads. Uganda was not a British colony so it is wrong for him to say, " We are no longer a colony." You are right, the envoys as development partners are following up on what been discussed and agreed for implementation to warrant continued support from the international community. The NRM government promised to implement reforms, may be to hoodwink the international community but used tactics of "delay, wait until last minute" then claim that there is little time left so we cannot implement all those electoral reforms. Unfortunately this time, nobody is prepared to buy those "genuine" claims anymore.

What many observers and campaigners seem to be saying is, "implement the electoral reforms, or hold no elections!"

Uganda was and has not been a colony before, therefore Ofwono's utterances are uncalled for.

Peter Simon

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To: "ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com" <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: {UAH} Ocen, Kipenji//We are no longer a colony, government tells EU envoys

"we are no longer a colony"? MY FOOT!! Our economy is directly fed by these goons and even

when we spotted some oil we summoned them to loot it. Banana republic indeed. We are not yet free guys (It is not yet UHURU).

George.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 7:08 AM
Subject: {UAH} Ocen, Kipenji//We are no longer a colony, government tells EU envoys

Folks;

This terse comment, by the government spokesman, is unnecessarily dismissive of the serious concerns that the EU envoys have shared with Ugandans.

These envoys are calling out the government, for having sat on specific recommendations for reforms that arose from the government's mismanagement of the 2011 general elections.

My friend, Ofwono Opondo, having told off the diplomats, allows that no electoral laws have been cast in stones; that they are still subject to revision. If that's so, then why use such a strong language?

Besides, even during Uganda's days as a colony, not all nations represented in this story, supported British rule in Uganda, or any other colony. The envoys are just following up on an earlier discussion with the Electoral Commission. And if their concerns closely match those of the Opposition, now we know the Opposition is not an empty-tin after all.

Pojim

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[amakurunamateka.com] FW: [fondationbanyarwanda] Abanyarwanda mu nda y'uruziramire

Yemwe iki gitekerezo (muli Link ya veplex) ngo "Hazakodeshwe ibisobane, amasero n'ibiseke bishyikilizwe Amerika; nuko iyahe abaturage bayo maze bakulikije ibibera mu Rwanda-ntanga-rugero henshi nabo bayuzuze impapuro maze bajye gusabira Prezida Obama manda ya gatatu, kuko nawe yabakoreye iterambere lyiza ku bulyo n'idolari lyali lyaraguye limaze kungana na euro"ni cyiza cyane, ntawubona utagishima.

Aha ikipi ya veplex-Ismaeli iteye ishoti ya kabili, ikulikira iyo Tubeho-wese bwana Rutayisire yateye agira ati "niba ntawundi mukandida RPF yabona uretse bwana Kagame, ubwo RPF izarangirana na bwana Kagame".

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:07:47 +0000
Subject: [fondationbanyarwanda] Abanyarwanda mu nda y'uruziramire

Ese iri kinamico risaba kugumisha Kagame ku butegetsi rishobora gukiza iki, cyangwa ni iki ryakwica?" Ese uwatekereje gukora iri kinamico rigera n'aho gushinyagurira imbohe, yabibonyemo iyihe turufu? Ni gute twakwirinda ingaruka z'imitekerereze nk'iyi ifutamye twe muri Vepelex na CIRI dusanga ari nta ho itandukaniye n'uburozi?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50dRu-YBJrg

Ismaïl

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-“The root cause of the Rwandan tragedy of 1994 is the long and past historical ethnic dominance of one minority ethnic group to the other majority ethnic group. Ignoring this reality is giving a black cheque for the Rwandan people’s future and deepening resentment, hostility and hatred between the two groups.”

-« Ce dont j’ai le plus peur, c’est des gens qui croient que, du jour au lendemain, on peut prendre une société, lui tordre le cou et en faire une autre ».

-“The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.”

-“I have loved justice and hated iniquity: therefore I die in exile.”

-“The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”

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