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[amakurunamateka.com] Re: *DHR* Re: DMI irimo gushaka aba EX-FAR bo kwemera ko ari bo bishe abanyaEspagne 3 mu Ruhengeri.

 

Nzinink,

Ndabona ahubwo atari ngombwa gushaka FDLR kuko umunyamerika we yabonetse wo gutanga ubuhamya. Keretse niba FDLR izaba ije guhamya ibyo uyu munyamerika yavuze. Ese iyi nkuru y'uyu munyamerika ntabwo yo  abo muri Espagne ntabwo bari bayizi. Kuki se ije iki gihe ? Uwo mudamu se yamenye gute ko ari interahamwe, yanditse iyo nkuru se abisabwe na nde? Cyakora njye ndakeka ko extradition atari ukuburanisha icyaha. Wenda wo munyamerika na FDLR bagombye kwitegura bakazajya gutanga ubuhamya bwabo muri  Espagne Karake yageze yo.



On Friday, 26 June 2015, 15:36, "Innocent TWAGIRAMUNGU itwagira71@gmail.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:


 
A debate with Olivier NDUHUNGIREHE on this issue :
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    Innocent Twagiramungu This is RPF usual game!!! Who killed Americans in the Nothern Park? Ask US justice and FBI to know RPF game. Who killed the hutu opposition top leaders Félicien Gatabazi, Emmanuel Gapyisi and Martin Bucyana? RPF soldiers of course. Are you aware of what they did to cover up and fool people until independent reasearchers as Prof. André Guichaoua reveal RPF criminals? It's the same game you try to play but it's very old. It won't work any more. You should advise your government to cooperate with British and Spanish justice.
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    Olivier Nduhungirehe Innocent Twagiramungu, this article was written, not by the Government of Rwanda, but by the New York Times. It was written, not now, but immediately after the facts, "in tempore non suspecto". The article was based, not on lunacies of a Spanish Judge, but based on the testimonies of SURVIVORS and WITNESSES of the massacre. Last question, I noticed that I can no more post anything on DHR, was I blocked?
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    Innocent Twagiramungu Don't make me laugh about your so-called testimonies . We know how your government is specialized in forgery of surch testimonies to send to newspapers and partners. Before sending Rwandans to face US justice for the killing of American citizens, do you think there were no testimonies ? What happened afterwards? The FBI discovered the Americans were killed by your government. Would you bring your so-called testimonies if courageous Americans brought RPF criminals to justice?

    About DHR, you can receive and post as usual. If you get any failure message,send it to me.
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    Olivier Nduhungirehe Innocent Twagiramungu, "my so-called testimonies"? The article is about testimonies of SURVIVORS, collected right after the massacre. I don't see what would be the forgery and how could it be done! On this issue, can you show me, from Merelles' indictment, any survivor or witness of this massacre of January 1997, contradicting this story from the New York Times?
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    Innocent Twagiramungu If you begin with such defense strategy, you don't help the accused you try to advocate for. This recalls what someone said in ICTR-ARUSHA : "Bring my victims to testify against me". If you go on so,General Karenzi Karake should fire you from his defense team both in court and social media. Even if you have no lawyer experience, you should pay attention as any law-educated person. About the strength of the judge Merelles' indictment, I have no doubt . The killings of 9 Spanish , 2 British citizens and thousands of Hutu Rwandans and Congolese citizens are well documented with many survivors' and witnesses' testimonies.
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    Olivier Nduhungirehe Innocent Twagiramungu, you just said many things in your message but you didn't answer to my simple question! By the way, I smiled when you tried to twist my statement, comparing it to Bagosora's! Bagosora asked a journalist to bring "the victims [he] killed so that they can accuse [him]". As for me, I just note that New York Times' article is based on testimonies of the SURVIVORS of the massacre (not victims)! Which brings me back to my question: can you show me, in the 187-page indictment of Merelles, on which page the Judge provided any testimony of survivor, accusing the RPF or General KK for the January 1997 massacre? I guess my question is simple and straight forward. No need to recall that you are a professional lawyer. This information is useless in the debate at hand.
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    Innocent Twagiramungu Your government should cooperate with justice. The Judge Merelles is very serious. His witnesses and survivors are protected. That's why you are not aware. He knew your government was ready to kill them as it happened in the French procedure and Sarkozy -Kouchner game with Major Rose Kabuye "Hollywood "arrest.
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    Innocent Twagiramungu Let's justice work and wait the results.
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    Olivier Nduhungirehe Innocent Twagiramungu, but why are you afraid of answering my simple question? Where, in the 187-page indictment, can we read any testimony of a survivor of the january 1997 massacre, contradicting those reported by the New York Times? Do you even know that 3 RPA soldiers where killed by the Interahamwe assailants that day? For your information, both Interpol in 2008 and the Madrid High Court in 2015 even dismissed the indictment, as politically motivated (Interpol) and deprived on any credible evidence (High Court).
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    Innocent Twagiramungu I can't organize the court on facebook. It's forbidden . The Spanish case has more than 1 ,000, 000 pages and contains so many hearings as testimonies for protected victims and witnesses. When you get access to the file, you will understand. That 's what you should normal do cooperating with Britain ans Spain if you fail to bomb both states.
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    Olivier Nduhungirehe Innocent Twagiramungu, let me make things easier for you. This massacre, dated 18 January 1997, is described, in Merelles Report, from page 26 to 30. But at no time did Merelles mention Mr Madhav or any other survivor of the massacre! At no time did Merelles inform us about any survivor or witness who accused RPF soldiers! So, question: why on earth did Fernando Andreu Merelles ignore all the survivors that could have given their precious testimonies, as they did for the New York Times 9 years before? Why does he accuse RPF soldiers without bringing any single evidence! Ringing a bell?
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    Olivier Nduhungirehe By the way Innocent Twagiramungu, my message, sent 3 hours ago, is yet to be posted on DHR. And you were copied!
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    Innocent Twagiramungu I have the whole indictment in 3 languages
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    Olivier Nduhungirehe Innocent Twagiramungu, then read the English version, page 26-30. Judge Merelles doens't mention ANY of the survivors who had already testified to The New York Times in 1997! Don't you find this weird for a Judge? Or did Merelles know perfectly that those survivors and witnesses would not fit in his politically motivated indictment?
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    Innocent Twagiramungu Don't try to advocate for the case you don't know.
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    Innocent Twagiramungu You have no access to the file and you pretend to know it.
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    Innocent Twagiramungu The indictment document is not the file. Please, even if you have no lawyer experience, you should react as a normal law educated person.
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    Olivier Nduhungirehe Innocent Twagiramungu, LOL! I just have eyes to read! I read the 187 pages of the indictment and, besides conspiracy theories and other lunacies, I found no evidence or testimony on any of the accusations. You say that I don't know the case? In that case, what about the High Court of Madrid that dismissed the whole case in February this year?
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    Emmanuel Bugilimfura Wow!! RPF is a saint organisation coming from Uganda to save those who happened to be brutalized by the regime of Habyalimana!! The world know what RPF is all about killing and killing hutus and terrorizing them in order to ask for forgiveness for the crimes they did not commit!! Only those who are coward have knelt to ask for forgiveness. They do not know what they are asking for ....!!!!
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    Innocent Twagiramungu What are you afraid of if the file is weak?
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    Innocent Twagiramungu Advise your boss to cooperate with British and Spanish justice if he is unable to bomb both states
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    Olivier Nduhungirehe Innocent Twagiramungu, I like the way you use childish statements, when you don't have any argument on the case itself!
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    Innocent Twagiramungu Up to now, you and your government have no access to file. Find a lawyer for your defense. This one will have access to the file and give you substantial elements.
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    Dave A Muhire Olivier Nduhungirehe Don't you think that All those facing criminal charges should be arrested by states no matter their nationality? Karake, Netanyahu, Bush, Blair, Bashir......!!
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    Innocent Twagiramungu Now you have nothing to organize a real defense. This campaign in the media is useless. You can't fool all people all the times.
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    Innocent Twagiramungu Olivier Nduhungirehe, you can't pretend to know the file and organize the defense only from an indictment document. Even a social worker knows that. Try to find a lawyer and get access to the file.
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    Olivier Nduhungirehe Innocent Twagiramungu, oh yeah? Let assume this is true, what about Interpol, which refused to send a red notice, arguing that the case is "politically motivated"? What about the High Court of Madrid, which dismissed the case for lack of evidence? Are they also "social workers"?
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    Akana Alice yafungaga BBC nka nde?
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    Innocent Twagiramungu Spanish Lawyer Jordi Palou-Loverdos, who is representing the Spanish victims, said: "The evidence is that General Karake was himself involved in the organisation of these killings - of Rwandans, Congolese, Spanish, Britons and others - as the head of the DMI between 1994 and 1997.

    "There was a targeting of missionaries and in 1997 of foreign aid organisations, including UN agencies, to force them to leave western Rwanda, where most of the killings were happening. We have many protected witnesses who have said very, very clearly that the instructions for this came from the top [of the DMI]."
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    Akana Alice ayiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Imanairebera impumyi ntihumbya
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    Epa Twahirwa So, Olivier Nduhungire, if Interpol and spanish judge are not involved, who is involved in this arrest? BBC as suggested by Alice?
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    Mitt J. Biseruka Don't argue with bread headed man. Olivier himself is innocent, he knows nothing about the case. You are feeding him what to speculate about or from media. This is RPF affair not PSD affairs. Mumureke Ni umumarayika.

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2015-06-26 16:15 GMT+02:00 Nzinink nzinink@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>:
 
The American survivor of that attack at one time gave an interview saying the attackers were Interahamwe. 

On Jun 26, 2015, at 6:18 AM, itwagira71 itwagira71@gmail.com [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 


DMI irimo gushaka aba EX-FAR bo kwemera ko ari bo bishe abanyaEspagne 3 mu Ruhengeri.

espagnol
26/06/2015 15:31   Amakuru
Mu gihe ibijyanye n'ifatwa rya Lt Gen Karenzi Karake bikomeje kuvugwaho cyane mu bitangazamakuru by'isi yose, ubu Leta y'u Rwanda yatunguwe n'ifatwa rya Lt Gen Karake ntabwo yicaye ubusa abaturage basutswe mu mihanda, abakozi bavanywe ku kazi, abana bakuwe mu mashuri ndetse hari n'abashyize amagodora imbere y'Ambasade y'Abongereza ku Kacyiru ngo bazahava KK atashye!
Ntabwo nabura kuvuga ariko ko abaturage batitabiriye iriya myigaragambyo tumaze kubona amakuru ko hari abaciwe amande y'amafaranga y'u Rwanda 2000, ntawamenya niba ari ukwegeranya ingwate KK agomba gutanga cyangwa azishyurwa muka Blair wunganira KK mu rukiko.
Uretse kwegeranya amafaranga arenga Miliyaridi y'amanyarwanda agomba gutangwaho nk'ingwate kugira ngo Lt Gen Karake ave mu buroko ahubwo afungishwe ijisho gusa atemerewe kuva mu Bwongereza, ubu hari gukorwa irindi tekinika ryo mu rwego rwo hejuru.
Amakuru agera kuri The Rwandan avuye mu basirikare bamwe bahoze muri FAR ndetse no muri FDLR aravuga ko ubu DMI irimo gushakisha abashobora gutozwa ibijyanye n'iki kibazo cya Lt Gen Karenzi Karake kugira ngo bazashyirwe imbere y'ibitangazamakuru byaba ibyo mu Rwanda cyangwa mu mahanga bamwe bemera ko ari bo bishe cyangwa bari mu gitero bariya banyaEspagne baregwa KK biciwemo cyangwa bavuge ko bafite amakuru kuri icyo gitero.
Turacyakora iperereza neza ngo tumenye abashinzwe iryo tekinika ariko hagati aho ntibibatangaze nimubona Gen Rwarakabije cyangwa undi mu bo bazanye agiye mu itangazakuru avuga ko azi abishe bariya banyaEspagne mu bo bari kumwe.
Hagati aho nabibutsa ko abo banyaEspagne bakoreraga umuryango utegamiye kuri Leta ufasha Medicus Del Mundo biciwe mu Ruhengeli nyuma y'aho bafatiye amafoto y'imirambo n'ibyobo rusange by'abantu bari bishwe mu cyahoze ari Komini Nyakinama n'abasirikare barimo abari baturutse muri EGENA bayobowe na Evariste Kabalisa, Firmin Gatera n'abandi basirikare bakuru. Amakuru amaze kumenyekana ko abo banyaEspagne bafotoye ibyo babonye hakozwe inama yo guhimba ikinamico cya DMI cyo kubica bikitirwa abacengezi, amakuru dufite n'uko icyo kinamico cyayobowe na Justus Majyambere, Evariste Kabalisa n'abandi basirikare nabibutsa ko DMI icyo gihe yategekwaga na Lt Gen Karenzi Karake.
Ikindi abantu bagomba kumenya hano n'uko abo banyaEspagne bishwe bari kumwe na mugenzi wabo w'umunyamerika we ntabwo yishwe wenda kuko abahawe amategeko yo kwica bategetse ko aticwa kubera gutinya Leta Zunze Ubumwe z'Amerika ni nayo mpamvu iki kibazo usanga ku ruhande rw'Amerika basa nk'abakigurutsa kuko wenda bafite ibyo bumvikanye n'ubutegtsi bwa Perezida Kagame.
Abazi imikorere yo mu Rwanda bazi neza ko nta kuntu umuntu uwo ari we wese muri FPR n'igisirikare cyayo yari gutinyuka kwica bariya banyaEspagne ngo asige umunyamerika bidahawe umugisha na Kagame ngo abivemo amahoro.
The Rwandan
26.06.2015

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On Friday, 26 June 2015, 10:57, "itwagira71 itwagira71@gmail.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:


 

U.K: IFATWA RYA GEN KARENZI MU MIKINO Y' UBUTASI BWA MI6. |


Mu nyandiko nanditse Ubushize ku wa 23-06-2015, nagerageje kwerekana ko bishoboka ko Karenzi w'intasi numero ya mbere mu Rwanda akorana na MI6, ishinzwe ipereza ry' u Bwongereza hanze y' igihugu. Nkuko BBC yabyanditse ejo tariki ya 25 Kamena 2015, Karake yagombaga guhura n' unukuru wa MI6 Alex Younger, ariko inama ntiyaba kubera impamvu zitarasobanuka.
UNAMID in DarfurEse ni iki Karenzi Karake apfana na MI6?
Kuba Karake yari mu Bwongereza kandi ari umukuru wa DMI, ntabwo bitangaje kuko DMI ishinzwe iperereza ry' u Rwanda, mu by' ukuri ihabwa amabwiriza menshi na MI6 ndetse na CIA. Ntabwo MI6 ikeneye kohereza abakozi b' abazungu mu Karere k' ibiyaga bigari kumenya cyangwa kugira uruhare muri politiki y' akarere (Shapping the environment). Kuba I Burundi ubutegetsi bwari bugiye guhinduka, U Bwongereza na Amerika bubiri inyuma, DMI kandi tukaba tumaze kubona ko iri inyuma y' ibikorwa by' iterabwoba, nuko ariyo ishinzwe ako kazi mu Burundi, mu izina rya MI6.
Mu gihe abenshi twiyibagiza ko intambara y' ubutita itigeze mu by' ukuri ihagarara, ahubwo yahinduye isura, mu karere k' ibiyaga bigari, niho hari kandi hahoze hakorerwa iyo ntambara kubera ubukungu bwa Congo, aho Tanzania, n' ibihugu by' amajyepfo y' Africa, kuva cyera byakomeje kutavuga rumwe cyane n' inyungu z'aba mpatsibihugu. U Rwanda n' u Buganda nibyo bihugu byonyine ubu ngubu bishinzwe gukora ibishoboka byose ngo inyungu z' u Bwongereza na Amerika mu karere zidahungabana.
Mu bigomba gukorwa harimo ibikorwa by' iterabwoba (Terrorism) no kwikiza abayobozi batemera (assassinations), cyangwa badashaka gukurikiza amabwiriza ya ba Mpatsibihugu. Ntabwo ari impanuka ko abishe Habyarimana, Laurent Kabila, Col Mamadou ndetse na Ndadaye nta numwe kugeza ubu twumva uhamagarwa n' izo ngirwa nkiko bita ko ari mpuzamahaga.
Mu nama y' ibanga yiswe "African Security meeting" ariyo Karake yari yatumiwemo, Ni inama ki?
Izo nama zitazwi (Unofficial) zigomba kwitabirwa n' Intasi, aho kugirango zitabirwe n' abashinzwe umutekano nka MInistri w' Ingabo, ni inama mu by' ukuri z' amabanga akomeye ashobora no kwicisha abantu. Inzego zishinzwe umutekano w' u bwongereza hagati mu gihugu nka MI5, ntizishobora kubwirwa iby' izo nama uko byagenda kose.
Kubera ko akazi nk' aka ko kwica, Guhungabanya umutekano no kwiba bikorerwa mu bihugu bya Africa ndetse na America y' amajyepfo, amanama nkaya aba azwi na bake cyane cyane abo mu nzego z' ubutasi, kuko mu by' ukuri aba anyuranyije n' amategeko ayo ariyo yose mu bihugu byose, cyane cyane ibyitwa ko byateye imbere nka UK (United Kingdom). Ari yo mpamvu babyita "UBUTASI". Muri Amerika byitwa rimwe na rimwe "Spy Games".
Nongere mbibutse nti, ese DMI ishinzwe iki gituma Karake uzi ko ashakishwa nizo nkiko agomba guhura n' umukuru wa MI6?Uguhindura ubutegetsi mu Burundi, Gutegurira inzira intambara y' ubutaha muri Congo, Guhungabanya SADEC mu bikorwa byayo mu karere?…NGIBI IBIGOMBA KUBAHANGAYIKISHA.
 
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[amakurunamateka.com] Re: [RealitesAfricaines.com] Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] General Karake’s legal defence is political motivated. it is questionable and not credible.

 


UK's M16 should explain what   intelligence business UK   had in the past and has now with Rwanda. General Karake is a Rwandan citizen. As far as we  know there has not been any terrorism attack in Rwanda because this country is not a target of terrorism attack. It is a small  and poorer country, Except some few Western Embassies, there are  no other Western interests in Rwanda.
 
Such meetings M16 and African spies could be relevant if  for example there were taking place  with Kenyan spy  because Kenya country is dealing with terrorism on daily basis and Kenyan had suffered from terrorism massacres in recent months.  These meetings could   relevant if they were held  between M16  and other nations' spies such as Uganda, Nigeria, Central African Republic, Mali  which have experienced deadly terrorism. If Rwanda was chosen by UK to represent  Eastern African nations in finding help  from UK in relation intelligence matters to deal with terrorism in East Africa, then the public should know this.
 
Most Kagame's military  and intelligence officials have been in these positions  from 1990 until present.
They fought  with  Kagame the guerrilla war that led to Rwandan genocide of Hutu, Twa and Tutsi communities. Therefore, we  believe that UK's M16 is aware of  the crimes these Kagame's officials  committed in Rwanda, RDC , Burundi and Uganda. UK' M16   should  know who committed the assassinations of the   four former Presidents of Rwanda, RDC and Burundi. If General Karake is not extradited to Spain, this will  confirm  the cover-up  of  UK and it its intelligence services' involvement  in Rwanda war, genocide and war crimes and political assassinations that took place in these four countries.
 




On Friday, 26 June 2015, 11:18, "Alfred Nganzo alfrednganzo@yahoo.com [RealitesAfricaines]" <RealitesAfricaines@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:


 
In the following 5 five years, it is predicted that another Head of State will be assassinated in East Africa. It might be Museveni, Kabila or Nkurunziza. All of them are now  involved in political struggle to stay on power in addition to Kagame's supported conflicts in Burundi and DRC. He hosts war criminals from these conflicts. He has triggered a  refugee crisis in the region. So, the frequent travels of Kagame's spies to meet foreign spies in the West including UK M16 are preparing something bad in that region. Let's wait and see !




On Friday, 26 June 2015, 11:14, Alfred Nganzo <alfrednganzo@yahoo.com> wrote:


In the following 5 five years, it is predictable that another Head of State will be assassinated in East Africa. It might be Museveni, Kabila or Nkurunziza. All of them are now  involved in political struggle to stay on power in addition to Kagame's supported conflicts in Burundi and RDC.  He hosts war criminals from these conflicts. He has triggered a  refugee crisis in the region. So, the frequent travels of Kagame's spies to meet foreign spies in the West including  UK M16 are preparing something bad in the region. Let's wait and see !




On Friday, 26 June 2015, 10:20, "Samuel Desire sam4des@yahoo.com [fondationbanyarwanda]" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:


 
The  legal defence of Kagame's spy, General Karake is already questionable and not credible. General Karake's  legal defence is political motivated.
 
The defence team  includes the wife of Tony Blair who is also   has been an  advisor of Kagame for the last 20 years. Tony Blair worked informally  for Kagame during  Kagame's guerrilla war and then  this was formalised when Kagame took power. This is a matter of conflict of interests and credibility that  the judge  should consider in Karake's extradition hearings.
 
We believe that  Chairy Blair should not be not be part of  Karake's defence team. Also the  planned meetings with the head of M16  now brings new elements in the Rwandan genocide and war. We believe that  probably M16 knows or was involved in the assassination of former President Habyarimana and other  three Presidents in Burundi and Democratic Republic of Congo. Karake and Kagame were involved in these assassinations. It is unbelievable that  M16 which regularly meets Karake and other Kagame's spies,  M16 did not meet or work with them during the preparations of Kagame's war and its implementation that involved the above assassinations.
 
Additionally, including the wife of the UK former Prime Minister in the defence team  and Karake revelations that he  was in the UK to meet with the head of M16 is an attempt to intimidate the judges and the court involved in this case. All this is the evidence of the trail of UK 'involvement in Rwandan war and genocide.

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Subject: Rwandan top spy, Karake was due to meet with the head of Britain's foreign intelligence, M16

There was planned meeting between Karake the head of Britain's foreign intelligence, M16

 

What was that meeting for ?  

 

Answer:

 

·      Kagame is  cheating  the  head of M16 that  Rwanda is important  ally to UK  by  helping UK intelligence work in East Africa. 

 

·      or Rwanda truly spies other Eastern  African countries, in particular East African leaders on behalf of UK

 

·      or Karake was reporting to the head of M16 about the spying work carried out by Rwanda on behalf of the head of M16.

 

·      Or  Karake was bringing an updated new list of UK Hutu exiles to be arrested or to be be refused refugee status or  British nationality ?

 

Rwanda spy chief Karenzi Karake 'in UK to meet MI6'

The Rwandan spy chief arrested in the UK over alleged war crimes came to London to meet the head of MI6, sources have told BBC Newsnight.
Karenzi Karake, the head of Rwanda's intelligence services, was to meet Alex Younger last Thursday morning but the meeting was cancelled at the last moment, according to those familiar with the general's itinerary.
Gen Karake, 54, was granted £1m ($1.6m) bail on Thursday at Westminster Magistrates Court ahead of a full extradition hearing in October.
Lawyers acting for him, including Cherie Booth QC, made clear they believe the charges against him are politically motivated.
He was arrested at Heathrow airport on Saturday under a European Arrest Warrant on behalf of authorities in Spain where he is wanted in connection with alleged war crimes against civilians.

Political embarrassment

Gen Karake appeared in court wearing a green and yellow jumpsuit. He has been held since Saturday at Belmarsh high security prison in east London.
Whitehall sources neither confirmed nor denied details of MI6's engagement with Gen Karake.
The claim that he was due to meet Britain's most senior intelligence official will add to political embarrassment over his detention.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33279888
 
 
THURSDAY, 25 JUNE 2015 19:51 IAN ORTEGA
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Rwanda's Chief of Intelligence, General Karenzi Karake has been granted conditional bail by the Westminster court in London. Following a European Arrest Warrant, Gen. Karenzi had been detained at London Heathrow Airport on Saturday as he boarded a plane back to Rwanda. In its judgement, court said Gen. Karenzi would be freed once a bail of $1.6 million is paid and other bail conditions have been met. Among the war crimes that Gen. Karenzi is accused of by a Spanish court include giving orders of massacres in the wake of the 1994 genocide. Gen. Karenzi is also accused of ordering the killing of Spanish aid workers in 1997.
Earlier in the day, President Kagame had launched a scathing verbal attack on the UK Government and other Western governments accusing them of double standards, arrogance and contempt. According to the BBC Newsnight programme, the intelligence chief was in the UK to meet the head of Britain's foreign intelligence, M16. Gen. Karenzi will be required to report daily to Police until he's vindicated and will be expected to reside at the high commissioner's house or at a house rented by the Rwandan embassy.
 
 
 









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On Friday, 26 June 2015, 10:57, "itwagira71 itwagira71@gmail.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:


 

U.K: IFATWA RYA GEN KARENZI MU MIKINO Y' UBUTASI BWA MI6. |


Mu nyandiko nanditse Ubushize ku wa 23-06-2015, nagerageje kwerekana ko bishoboka ko Karenzi w'intasi numero ya mbere mu Rwanda akorana na MI6, ishinzwe ipereza ry' u Bwongereza hanze y' igihugu. Nkuko BBC yabyanditse ejo tariki ya 25 Kamena 2015, Karake yagombaga guhura n' unukuru wa MI6 Alex Younger, ariko inama ntiyaba kubera impamvu zitarasobanuka.
UNAMID in DarfurEse ni iki Karenzi Karake apfana na MI6?
Kuba Karake yari mu Bwongereza kandi ari umukuru wa DMI, ntabwo bitangaje kuko DMI ishinzwe iperereza ry' u Rwanda, mu by' ukuri ihabwa amabwiriza menshi na MI6 ndetse na CIA. Ntabwo MI6 ikeneye kohereza abakozi b' abazungu mu Karere k' ibiyaga bigari kumenya cyangwa kugira uruhare muri politiki y' akarere (Shapping the environment). Kuba I Burundi ubutegetsi bwari bugiye guhinduka, U Bwongereza na Amerika bubiri inyuma, DMI kandi tukaba tumaze kubona ko iri inyuma y' ibikorwa by' iterabwoba, nuko ariyo ishinzwe ako kazi mu Burundi, mu izina rya MI6.
Mu gihe abenshi twiyibagiza ko intambara y' ubutita itigeze mu by' ukuri ihagarara, ahubwo yahinduye isura, mu karere k' ibiyaga bigari, niho hari kandi hahoze hakorerwa iyo ntambara kubera ubukungu bwa Congo, aho Tanzania, n' ibihugu by' amajyepfo y' Africa, kuva cyera byakomeje kutavuga rumwe cyane n' inyungu z'aba mpatsibihugu. U Rwanda n' u Buganda nibyo bihugu byonyine ubu ngubu bishinzwe gukora ibishoboka byose ngo inyungu z' u Bwongereza na Amerika mu karere zidahungabana.
Mu bigomba gukorwa harimo ibikorwa by' iterabwoba (Terrorism) no kwikiza abayobozi batemera (assassinations), cyangwa badashaka gukurikiza amabwiriza ya ba Mpatsibihugu. Ntabwo ari impanuka ko abishe Habyarimana, Laurent Kabila, Col Mamadou ndetse na Ndadaye nta numwe kugeza ubu twumva uhamagarwa n' izo ngirwa nkiko bita ko ari mpuzamahaga.
Mu nama y' ibanga yiswe "African Security meeting" ariyo Karake yari yatumiwemo, Ni inama ki?
Izo nama zitazwi (Unofficial) zigomba kwitabirwa n' Intasi, aho kugirango zitabirwe n' abashinzwe umutekano nka MInistri w' Ingabo, ni inama mu by' ukuri z' amabanga akomeye ashobora no kwicisha abantu. Inzego zishinzwe umutekano w' u bwongereza hagati mu gihugu nka MI5, ntizishobora kubwirwa iby' izo nama uko byagenda kose.
Kubera ko akazi nk' aka ko kwica, Guhungabanya umutekano no kwiba bikorerwa mu bihugu bya Africa ndetse na America y' amajyepfo, amanama nkaya aba azwi na bake cyane cyane abo mu nzego z' ubutasi, kuko mu by' ukuri aba anyuranyije n' amategeko ayo ariyo yose mu bihugu byose, cyane cyane ibyitwa ko byateye imbere nka UK (United Kingdom). Ari yo mpamvu babyita "UBUTASI". Muri Amerika byitwa rimwe na rimwe "Spy Games".
Nongere mbibutse nti, ese DMI ishinzwe iki gituma Karake uzi ko ashakishwa nizo nkiko agomba guhura n' umukuru wa MI6?Uguhindura ubutegetsi mu Burundi, Gutegurira inzira intambara y' ubutaha muri Congo, Guhungabanya SADEC mu bikorwa byayo mu karere?…NGIBI IBIGOMBA KUBAHANGAYIKISHA.
 
Jean Paul Romeo Rugero
Ikazeiwacu.fr
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-“The root cause of the Rwandan tragedy of 1994 is the long and past historical ethnic dominance of one minority ethnic group to the other majority ethnic group. Ignoring this reality is giving a black cheque for the Rwandan people’s future and deepening resentment, hostility and hatred between the two groups.”

-« Ce dont j’ai le plus peur, c’est des gens qui croient que, du jour au lendemain, on peut prendre une société, lui tordre le cou et en faire une autre ».

-“The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.”

-“I have loved justice and hated iniquity: therefore I die in exile.”

-“The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”

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