[haguruka.com] Re: Brussels: Rwanda exporteert eigen censuur naar België

 

Olivier, seka cyane nushaka imbavu zishye!

Kuba inyito y'iriya jenocide yakorewe abatutsi ikigibwaho impaka nyuma y'imyaka 23 ibaye ni ikimenyetso ko ibyo wirirwa ubeshya ngo TPIR yavuze ko ibyabaye mu Rwanda ari "un fait de notriete publique" bidahagije:

Nibyo koko, ibyabaye mu Rwanda (ku batutsi tutibagiwe bahutu) muri kiriya gihe na nyuma yaho ni "un fait de notoriete publique" kubera ko abantu bishwe bazira uko bavutse cg imyumvire yabo ya politiki, 

ariko ntibihagije kugirango ngo byitwe genocide. 

-Ntibihagije kuberabko hagomba ibindi bimenyetso, bigaragaza ko ibyakozwe byari muri gahunda ndende yo kurimbura bariya bantu. K'uruhande rwa leta yariho icyo gihe TPIR yavuze ko nta mugambi wo gutsemba abatutsi wigeze ubaho. Igitangaje ni uko iyi TPIR itigeze ireba uko byari byifashe ku ruhande rw'inyeshyamba za Kagame.

-Ntibihagije kubera ko abatutsi tangiye kwicwa ari uko Kagame amaahanuye indege ya Habyara.

-Ntibihagije kubera ko abahutu bishwe na FPR bazira ubwoko bwabo mbere ya genocide, muri genocide na nyuma ya genocide baruta kure umubare w'abatutsi bishwe muri genocide.

-Ntibihagije kubera ko abatutsi bishwe muri genocide bamwe bishwe na FPR abandi bicwa n'imitwe yitwaraga gisirikare ( interahamwe, inkuba, amajyojyi, etc).

-Btibihagije kubera ko ibyabaye ari inkurukizi z'intambara Inkotanyi zari zarashiye ku Rwanda ikaba yari imaze imya ine, abahutu bicwa umusubizo, abanyeyi batoborwa amada, impunzu uruhuri zuzuye Nyacyonga, imitwe ya politiki yarananiwe kwumvikana k'uburyo yahosha iyo ntambara.

-Ntibihagije kubera ko ibyabaye ari inkurukizi z'iyicwa rya Perezida Ndadaye mu Burundi kandi baikaba byaragaragaye ko abanwishe bakoranaga bya hafi n'inkotanyi.

-Ntibihagije kubera ko ibyabaye byose byabaye nyuma y'aho Ambasaderi w'Anerika mu Burundi yihanangirije Kagame amubwira ko umuntu wese uzubura imirwano mu Rwanda muri icyo gihe azabarwaho ubwicanyi buzakurikiraho bwose. Ibi Kagamebyabitenzeho, yica Habyara bityo atangiza genocide yakorewe abatutsi.

Ibi byose nkubwiye amahanga yose arabizi yaba Loni, zaba inshuti zose z'uRda (ubariyemo Israel, UK na US). 

Kuba aya mahanga akomeje kwica amatwi agakomeza guhyigikira iriya ngoma mpotozi ntibivuga ko batazi ukuri ku byabaye. 

Niyo mpamvu biriya Prof Charles Kambanda, avuga akanabitangira ibimenyetso bifatika,  bitabarirwa mu guhakana genocide. Byitwa kwisanzura mu bitekerezo.

Abanyarwanda cyokora baba abahutu, abatwa n'abatutsi bagomba kwitondera imvugo zabo kuri iyi ngingo. 

Ibyo Prof Charles Kambanda avuga ntaho bitaniye n'ibyo Prof Leopold Munyakazi yavuze, ko ibyabaye mu Rwanda ari ubwicanyi hagati y'abavandimwe.

Kuba Leopold yarimwe ubuhungiro muri Amerika akanasubizwa nu Rwanda si ukubera iyo mvugo ye. 

Leopold yimwe ubuhungiro kubera ko Inkotanyi zamuhimbiye ibyaha bya genocide ( n'ubwo zamufunze imyaka 6 nta dosiye, zikamuerekuza, zikamuha pasipiro, akazi ko kwigisha muri universite, kuyobora bureau pedagique, etc.) maze urukiko rw'Amerika rwemeza ko umuntu uhohotera abandi adakwiye kurengerwa.

Abanyarwanda bose bari mu Rwanda muri 1994, bakaba bari bafite n'ibura imyaka 15 y'amavuko, bagomba kwitondera imvugo zabo kuri iyi ngingo kubera ko Inkotanyi zishobora kubahimbira ibyaha bya genocide bityo ubuhungiro/ ubwenegihugu bafite bakabwamburwa bagadubizwa mu Rwanda.

Imana Prof Charles Kambanda agira ni uko atari mu Rwanda kiriya gihe.

Pour votre info:

Kuri CNN mu minsi ishize hari umujenerari w'umunyamerika uherutse kwibeshya (arimo ahta impaka n'abandi bantu, anyomoza Prezida Trump wemeza ko Amerika itagitsinda intambara kw'isi) aravuga ngo ibyo Trump avuga sibyo kubera ko "Amerika yatsinze mu Rda", muri Libiya, Irak, etc! 

Umunyamakuru wa CNN yarakomeje abaza uwo mujenerari ati mu Rda se mwatsinzeyo mute kandi twese tuzi ibyabayeyo?

Uwo mujenerali yunzemo ati "icyo twashakaga kwari uguhindura ubutegetsi kandi byagezwe ho".

Ngibyo, nguko!

On Apr 5, 2017, at 2:22 AM, Olivier Nduhungirehe oliviernduhungirehe@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 

LOL!

Here you are trying desperately to move the goalposts! Your initial question was not about taking genocide deniers to courts: it was about denying that any genocide denier even exists! You were indeed challenging me to NAME any single individual that denies that crime.

Now, debunked, you don't know whether to hide and you ask me to go to court. Ni nka bya bindi bya "Niba atari wowe ni mwene wanyu"!

My simple questions are: do the statement by Dr Kambanda on his Facebook page deny genocide, YES or NO? Do you agree with that statement, YES or NO?

OJPN

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On 5 Apr 2017, at 04:07, Nzi Nink nzinink@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 

What are you waiting to challenge him in court?

Is it because you're not yet ready or because you're afraid of losing the case and thereby being embarrassed for good?

Here is my advice: 

Think twice before uttering anything you may one day regret and may not be able to retract.

On Apr 4, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Olivier Nduhungirehe oliviernduhungirehe@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 

Nzinink,

On 17 May 2014, Dr Charles Kambanda wrote the following on his Facebook wall: 

"I am one of the people who are convinced that the massacres in Rwanda should not be referred to as genocide. 

(...)

I think the "Tutsi genocide" propaganda is for a different purpose. I will NEVER buy into that propaganda; it does not make much sense, at least legally."

http://www.inyenyerinews.org/human-rights/1994-massacres-in-rwanda-were-not-a-genocide-according-to-a-legal-expert-prof-charles-kambanda/

In fact, no genocide denier on earth has been more straightforward than Dr Charles Kambanda! So, after reading this, how can you dare coming again and assert that he doesn't deny genocide???

Naho kumbwira ngo this genocide denier is a "freedom fighter", this tells more about you than him.

OJPN 

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On 5 Apr 2017, at 02:10, Nzi Nink nzinink@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 

I told you to try again but you never did because you could not find any anyone that fits "your exception of free speech".

No right-minded people would confuse the two freedom fighters you have singled out ( namely Didas Gasana & Charles Kambanda) with genocide deniers. 

On Apr 4, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Olivier Nduhungirehe oliviernduhungirehe@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 

Oh yeah?

But the criminalisation of genocide denial is precisely an EXCEPTION to free speech! By the way, countries that punish denial generally criminalise minimisation of genocide as well.

As for examples of genocide deniers, I recall that you had challenged me to provide one single example of an "individual" who denies genocide. I gave you plenty of them, including Didas Gasana and Dr Charles Kambanda who LEGALLY challenge that qualification.

So, if you are debunked, pleased don't bring up "amananiza".

OJPN

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On 5 Apr 2017, at 01:05, Nzi Nink nzinink@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 

Do your homework to learn how to distinguish free speech from genocide denial.

Once, done come back and show me any genocide denier you may have in your mind, so that we may discuss his/ her case.

On Apr 4, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Olivier Nduhungirehe oliviernduhungirehe@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 

I should do my homework to see what international laws say on genocide denial? What on earth are you talking about?

Do you know any international convention or jurisprudence on genocide denial? 

You can't, because this issue is dealt with at the NATIONAL LEVEL, by a limited number of countries and on selected genocides. 

So, what "homework" are you asking me to do?

OJPN 

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On 4 Apr 2017, at 21:17, Nzi Nink nzinink@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 

Keep trying!

Of course according to rwandan laws those people are negationnists, which is not a surprise for anyone. 

Why don't you do your homework to see what the international laws say about how negationnists should be dealt with?

On Apr 4, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Olivier Nduhungirehe oliviernduhungirehe@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 

LOL! 

You were challenging me to name one individual who denies the genocide against the Tutsi. Now that I provided you with an article of Didas Gasana that clearly denies the genocide, you argue that it's not his opinions it's others' opinions! Don't you see something weird in your own statement?

Let's assume that you are right (which is not the case), those other people that Didas Gasana mentioned, are they not the "individuals" that you claim they didn't exist?

Here is another of his articles: http://www.therwandan.com/blog/a-rational-inquiry-into-the-tutsi-genocide-and-its-declining-currency-as-an-export/ Are you still claiming that Didas Gasana is a journalist that can try to demonstrate that genocide didn't happen, without believing it himself?

I can also provide you with an article of Dr Charles Kambanda openly denying the genocide, an interview of Paul Rusesabagina with Keith Harmon Snow questioning the legal qualification of genocide, multiple declarations of Prof Léopold Munyakazi stating that the crime committed in Rwanda are "fratricide", not genocide, a video declaration of Joseph Matata asserting that he believes in a genocide of all Rwandans, not of the Tutsi, a declaration of Stam and Davenport arguing that people killed in Rwandan were 20% Tutsi and 80% Hutu, all killed "randomly, without purpose"; an interview of Col Luc Marchal with Jambonews, stating that people were killing in Rwanda because of the "bestiality" that was in them, denying that any ethnic group was ever targeted...

Do you really want me to continue ???

OJPN 

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