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Wednesday, 17 June 2015

[amakurunamateka.com] FW: SV: SV: {UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at large

Dear Ugandans, whatever you write you should recognise true wisdom and real politics.

South Africa and President Zuma looked around the table and saw current president of Kenya, president of Rwanda, president of Uganda, president of South Sudan, etc. quietly sat. They saw also President Bashir wanted. And, they also know files from these countries as that club of UA/AU is led by a south African.

They (South Africans) then simply concluded that CPI at the Hague has his own game that they should not enter at all sir/madam. This is very right: if you cannot punish correctly and with equity, let it go away!

Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:59:28 +0000
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SV: SV: {UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at large

Ingram Kampe,

Thank you for asking. I strongly believe it should have. South Africa is a signatory of the ICC and accordingly should have acted in the interest of the ICC they formed that is mandated to make leaders accountable for their actions on human rights. According to the Sudanese foreign ministry, their government is displeased with ICC and international community for exaggerating the number of people killed in Darfur; from 10,000 they killed to 300,000! Now comrade, the Sudanese government acknowledges that they committed atrocities which ICC has investigated to be true, so why shouldn't Bashir be arrested?

Without putting words in your mouth, possibly SA couldn't arrest Bashir because it equally has a bad human rights record. Not long ago, the South Africans killed innocent immigrants with full knowledge of their powerful leaders, so you might be right about SA. One other thing, as a member of African Union (AU) a club of many African dictators, it is unlikely that they could have arrested their own good member like saying "Blood is thicker than water!"

Peter Simon

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Subject: Re: SV: SV: {UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at large

Peter Simon-really-you think SA should have arrested Bashir? Discuss.--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/16/15, 'Simon Okurut' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: SV: SV: {UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at large
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Received: Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 10:55 AM

Ndugu
Ocaya,

I think we should
focus on the issue at hand by asking ourselves whether
African dictators are being targeted or they are simply many
committing the crimes they are accused of. Killing whether
by African or western leaders is bad but killing the very
people you are supposed to protect is extremely worse.
Imagine what the Sudan says, that the western world is
exaggerating the number of Darfurians killed, that it is
300, 000 but only 10,000 people that they know they killed.
So, for Sudan, 10,000 people killed is nothing to worry
about, like saying the western countries must be crazy to
worry about the death of ten thousand.

The guy shouldn't have been released but
there you are, your friend Zuma released him, because like
Ocaya says, the west should not target African leaders!

Peter Simon

On Tue, 6/16/15, 'Ocaya
Mike pOcure' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
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Subject: SV: SV:
{UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at
large
To: "ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com"
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Received: Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 11:45 AM

Ndugu

OKURUT,I love your words, but you
see the
western world arresting the thieves is

good.But.....but
my brother do not forget
that the thieves who sleeps in the
caves
ofthe
western powers are always not
arrested and their numbers
increases
everyyear
that go.I
would
have wish they do real justice!
Ocaya
pOcure

   Den
måndag, 15 juni
2015 23:48 skrev
'Simon Okurut' via Ugandans at

Heart (UAH) Community
<ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>:

Ocaya
Mike pOcure,
So what
are saying, that it
is wrong to arrest African dictators

because white dictators who invaded some countries are
not
apprehended? Does it add? So, today
Mzee Ocaya Mike pOcure
is President
Museveni's dear friend who hate ICC for

targeting African dictators?
For me,
if there are 1000 thieves or killers, I will
rejoice if one
is arrested, that reduces
the number and I pray more fall in
the
trap. When I recall the TV broadcast of Sudanese
Janjaweed (Arab militias) riding horses and
torched houses,
chased and raped Darfurian
women and children and killing
men, I
regret reading your posting, comrade.

Peter
Simon

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June 15, 2015 1:49 PM

Subject: SV: {UAH}
Bashir sneaks out of S.
Africa to remain a fugitive at
large

Mw.
Ssekajja, and UAH folks,I
think, justice cannot be done base on racism.
Why am I
saying so?
YES,
because, I have never seen the ICC putting arrest
warrants on both George
Bush
Jr and Tony Blair who have committed genocide
in both Iraq
and
Afghanistan?How
about the dubious state of
affairs in Libya whereby the
leader of
Libya was murdered directly by the strong
military supports
from EU, US and NATO
membership leaders? YES,
it
is said justice must be done but how are you thinking
about the
issue of Israelis
leaderships of apartheid against

Palestinians? The UN and, or
ICC cannot put
arrest warrant against Netanyahu??

Ocaya
pOcure

Den måndag, 15
juni 2015 17:32 skrev
'Ssekajja'
via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community

<ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>:

WORLD
FUGITIVE No.1 WANTED
DEAD OF ALIVE.
This

alleged mass murderer unceremoniously exited S.Africa,
leaving the country's judiciary in
turmoil, and
questions as to who was
responsible for facilitating the
absconding
of this ICC wanted fugitive.
There is no
statue of limitation for
indictments for
crimes against humanity, and the

"Butcher of Darfur" will get his day before the
ICC. Inshallah!!!!!'

Ssekajja
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-The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
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Re: [amakurunamateka.com] Re: Avis juridique de l’East African Community contre la candidature de Pierre Nkurunziza

Mwarasaze muzajye I Ndera babavure.

Kagame ahuriye he na coup d'état y'i Burundi?

Ni mu menye ibyanyu dore ko muvuga nk'abavangiwe!

Kagame ko ari impano y'Imana adatekereza mu macakubiri nkamwe ubwo ntimukomerewe?

Le Mercredi 17 juin 2015 13h10, "Nzinink nzinink@yahoo.com [amakurunamateka]" <amakurunamateka@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :

Komera Jonas.

Ko mbona abasinye iriya raporo (

https://t.co/nFtgugLUmE ) ari abo mu Rda, Uganda na Kenya gusa, aho ni ubuhoro? None se urumva iyi nyandiko itumvikanyweho n'ibihugu byose ( concensus nk'uko Statuts za EAC zibiteganya) yari gusuzumwa ite mu nama y'abakuru b'ibihugu bigize EAC? Wibuke kandi ko iyo nama ya EAC Kagame atayitabiriye. Icyo gihe ashobora kuba yari aryamiye amajanja cg arimo kubyinira ku rukoma, ategereje uko coup d'etat yo mu Bdi igenda, ariko kubw'Imana kugeza ubu Kagame yabuze byose nk'ingata imennye.

On Jun 16, 2015, at 7:44 PM, ndimbati jonas ndimbati@gmail.com [fondationbanyarwanda] <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

À titre d'information, veuillez trouver ci-bas l'avis juridique des Gardes des sceaux/Procureurs généraux ("attorney generals") de la Communauté de l'Afrique de l'Est (E.A.C) qui conclut sans la moindre ambiguïté au caractère anticonstitutionnel de la candidature de Pierre Nkurunziza.

Le rapport fut mis sous le boisseau suite aux pressions de certains pays de la région soutenant l'actuel pouvoir burundais.

Le rapport est accessible en suivant le lien suivant :

https://t.co/nFtgugLUmE

Merci

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[amakurunamateka.com] Re: [rwanda_revolution] Rwanda: Changing constitution to allow President Kagame third term 'will undermine peace and democracy'.

Kagame is is telling lies to the world:

Kagame also urged politicians not to coerce people into signing the petition. "If the allegations that some people have been forced are true, that's a concern and you should also have that concern," he said.

Comment:

Even without coercion, in Rwanda, there is nothing you can do that could be different to the will of Kagame and his ruling party. You have to obey Kagame and accept all his policies at all circumstances. Because there is no opposition in Rwanda, I do not see what you can do that would be different to what Kagame wants. This can only happen when there is an opposition that operates freely to challenge Kagame and his ruling party' actions.

The International Community has been urging Burundi to let people demonstrate freely against Nkurunziza 's project of third term. In Rwanda, such demonstrations will never happen under Kagame's rule.

From: "Jean Bosco Sibomana sibomanaxyz999@gmail.com [rwanda_revolution]" <rwanda_revolution@yahoogroups.com>
To: Sibomana Jean Bosco <Sibomanaxyz999@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015, 13:24
Subject: [rwanda_revolution] Rwanda: Changing constitution to allow President Kagame third term 'will undermine peace and democracy'.

Rwanda: Changing constitution to allow President Kagame third term 'will undermine peace and democracy'
June 17, 2015 13:09 BST
Rwandan President Paul Kagame said he is open to debate on whether to change the constitution to allow third term (Reuters)
Two members of the Rwandan Parliament and a member of the East African Legislative Assembly (EALA) have resigned for reportedly disagreeing with the ruling party's decision to change the constitution to allow President Paul Kagame to run in the 2017 election.
Rwandan Patriotic Front
The Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) was formed in 1987 by Tutsi refugees who had fled along with their families to Uganda due to ethnic violence.
In 1990, RPF's armed wing the Rwandan Patriotic Army (RPA) invaded Rwanda and fought against troops loyal to the then President Juvénal Habyarimana, triggering the Rwanda civil war.
RPA's leader Fred Gisa Rwigyema was killed shortly after prompting the RPA to retreat and regroup under Paul Kagame. The warring sides engaged in peace negotiations and reached a ceasefire, which was broken when Habyarimana died in a plane crash on 6 April 1994, among suspicions that he had been killed by the Tutsi.
The death of the president sparked the genocide, during which the RPF fought against Hutu extremists and those loyal to the interim government, which had ordered the killing of the Tutsi. The RPF took control of the country in July 2014 and Pasteur Bizimungu became president. He stayed in power until 2000, when he was succeeded by Kagame.
The role of RPF during the genocide is controversial. The group defeated Hutu extremists who were carrying out the genocide, but it has also been accused of killing, sometimes indiscriminately, Hutus and Tutsis.
The Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) announced that it approved an amendment to article 101 of the country's constitution after some 3.6 million people – about 72% of Rwanda's electoral roll – signed a petition asking the Parliament to change the document, which restricted the president to running for two seven-year terms.
However, some reports claimed that part of the population was forced to sign the petition by officials.
RPF member Connie Bwiza Sekamana resigned earlier in June after allegedly being summoned by the Criminal Investigations Department, the East African reported.
However, sources told the East African that she was dismissed after criticising the government for its decision to change the constitution.
Chamber of Deputies Giovanni Bushishi and EALA member Celestin Kabahizi also resigned from their positions. It is not yet clear why they abandoned their posts, but sources told East African the catalyst was their disagreement over amending article 101.
Changing the constitution will undermine peaceful transfer of power
Earlier in May, the country's main opposition party Democratic Green Party of Rwanda (DGPR) filed a lawsuit to the Supreme Court attempting to block the change to the constitution, arguing that article 193 concerning amendments of the document does not allow the number of terms to be changed, but only their lengths.
DGPR's President Frank Habineza told IBTimesUK: "We don't support the change of the constitution, but we are not surprised [that this happened] because many people have been protecting this move."
Paul Kagame's political career
Kagame became the leader of the RPF's armed wing, the Rwandan Patriotic Army (RPA), as the country had descended into a civil war which then sparked a genocide in which an estimated 1 million people – mainly Tutsi and moderate Hutu – were killed in three months.
In the aftermath of the genocide, Kagame served as vice president and minister of defence until 2000, when he became president after being elected by government ministers and the national assembly.
The RPF became a political party while its armed wing was renamed the Rwandan Patriotic Army (now the Rwandan Defence Forces).
In 2003, Rwanda adopted a new constitution replacing a transitional one, and Kagame was re-elected as president. He won the election again in 2010.
Habineza also said that there are allegations that some people were forced to sign the petition, but added that DGPR does not have any evidence to prove this.
"Changing the constitution will not only undermine the democratic process but also the peaceful transfer of power," he said, adding that since the kingdom of Rwanda – which ended when King Kigeli V was overthrown in a 1961 coup d'etat resulting in a referendum that abolished the monarchy – the non-democratic successions of leaders had led to deaths and unrest.
It is not yet clear whether Kagame will back the RPF's decision. Earlier in April, the president said he did not support changes of the constitution, but he was open to debate.
"In a democratic society, debates are allowed and they are healthy," he said.
Kagame also urged politicians not to coerce people into signing the petition. "If the allegations that some people have been forced are true, that's a concern and you should also have that concern," he said.
Burundi unrest unlikely in Rwanda
In neighbouring Burundi, hundreds of people have been engaged in violent protests after President Pierre Nkurunziza announced he will seek a third term in this year's election.
Protesters accused him of violating the constitution and the Arusha Peace Agreement, which says the president can only stay in power for two terms.
Nkurunziza's supporters argue the president's first term should not be counted as he was chosen by the Parliament and not by the people in an election as is specified in the agreement.
The Burundian police as well as the Imbonerakure – the youth wing of Nkurunziza's party National Council for the Defense of Democracy – have been accused of committing abuses, such as killings and torture, against protesters.
"I don't know what could happen in Rwanda, but I know that not every Rwandan wants to change the constitution."
DGPR's President Frank Habineza
International commentators have said it will be unlikely for Rwandans to protest against RPF's decision given Kagame's strong support, mainly stemming from belief in his ability to transform Rwanda into a middle-income country, a goal he committed to achieving by 2020.
However, critics have accused Kagame of cracking down on political and press freedoms.
Assistant professor in comparative politics and researcher on sub-Saharan Africa Omar McDoom told IBTimes UK: "The president's [Kagame] popularity is difficult to gauge. While he has delivered social order and rising prosperity, his record on individual freedom and justice lags behind.
"Petitions and quantitative indicators of public opinion are not reliable guides to the true sentiment of the population given the extraordinary ability of the state to monitor society and given how strongly the regime has punished dissent, perceived as disloyalty, in the past. Self-censorship is an issue in a regime which, by all independent measures of democracy, has an authoritarian character."
When asked to comment on possible unrest in Rwanda, Habineza told IBTimes UK: "I don't know what could happen in Rwanda, but I know that not every Rwandan wants to change the constitution."
Article 101
"The President of the Republic is elected for a term of seven years renewable only once. Under no circumstances shall a person hold the office of President of Republic for more than two terms."
Article 193
"The power to initiate amendment of the constitution is vested concurrently in the President of the Republic upon the proposal of the cabinet and each Chamber of Parliament upon a resolution passed by a two thirds majority vote of its members.
"The passage of a constitutional amendment requires a three quarters majority vote of the members of each chamber of Parliament. However, if the constitutional amendment concerns the term of the President of the Republic or the system of democratic government based on political pluralism, or the constitutional regime established by this constitution especially the republican form of the government or national sovereignty, the amendment must be passed by referendum, after adoption by each Chamber of Parliament. No amendment to this article is permitted."

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[amakurunamateka.com] Re: Avis juridique de l’East African Community contre la candidature de Pierre Nkurunziza

Komera Jonas.

Ko mbona abasinye iriya raporo (

On Jun 16, 2015, at 7:44 PM, ndimbati jonas ndimbati@gmail.com [fondationbanyarwanda] <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

À titre d'information, veuillez trouver ci-bas l'avis juridique des Gardes des sceaux/Procureurs généraux ("attorney generals") de la Communauté de l'Afrique de l'Est (E.A.C) qui conclut sans la moindre ambiguïté au caractère anticonstitutionnel de la candidature de Pierre Nkurunziza.

Le rapport fut mis sous le boisseau suite aux pressions de certains pays de la région soutenant l'actuel pouvoir burundais.

Le rapport est accessible en suivant le lien suivant :

https://t.co/nFtgugLUmE

Merci

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Tuesday, 16 June 2015

[amakurunamateka.com] FW: [fondationbanyarwanda] Taux de croissance

Cet expert Ernest &Young a-t-il- eu aussi pris connaissance de ce link analysant les declarations du ministre Gatete pour le Rwanda? La verite plus stable n'est pas celle d'un seul dignitaire mais celle qui prend en compte tous les points de vue, exprimes honnetement.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/radioitahuka/2015/06/12/claver-gatete-yamurikiye-inteko-yu-rwanda-ingengo-yimari-2015-2016

To: democracy_human_rigths@yahoogroupes.fr; fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr; ibukabose_rengerabose@yahoogroupes.fr; jamboasbl@gmail.com; cliir2004@yahoo.fr; psj_survivors@yahoo.com; corwabel@gmail.com
From: fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:57:14 +0000
Subject: [fondationbanyarwanda] Taux de croissance

Le taux de croissance de l'Afrique subsaharienne sera cette année supérieure à 5% selon un rapport d'Ernest§Young, alors que le Rwanda indique que son taux sera de plus de 7% et que le revenu annuel par habitant sera de plus de 645$; celui-ci s'élèvera à 1200$ en l'an 2020 comme le prétend Monsieur Gatete, Ministre rwandais des Finances!

Les facteurs qui entrent en jeu pour calculer ce taux sont faussés par le fait de considérer indistinctement le riche et le pauvre et par les statistiques montées de toutes pièces par certains gouvernements dont le Rwanda!

En effet, le Rwanda, qui est caractérisé par le plus grand écart entre les riches et les pauvres, est touché par le détournement, la corruption, l'indigence, les maladies dues à la malnutrition, et la famine endémique!

Malheureusement, ceux qui vantent le miracle économique, la propreté, les établissements scolaires et universitaires et les infrastructures médicaux et sanitaires qui sont visibles à Kigali ignorent l'horreur et la souffrance que vit la population rurale!

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-“The root cause of the Rwandan tragedy of 1994 is the long and past historical ethnic dominance of one minority ethnic group to the other majority ethnic group. Ignoring this reality is giving a black cheque for the Rwandan people’s future and deepening resentment, hostility and hatred between the two groups.”

-« Ce dont j’ai le plus peur, c’est des gens qui croient que, du jour au lendemain, on peut prendre une société, lui tordre le cou et en faire une autre ».

-“The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.”

-“I have loved justice and hated iniquity: therefore I die in exile.”

-“The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”

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Rwanda: Changing constitution to allow President Kagame third term 'will undermine peace and democracy'

[amakurunamateka.com] Re: Avis juridique de l’East African Community contre la candidature de Pierre Nkurunziza

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