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[haguruka.com] TR: [fondationbanyarwanda] TR: UKUNTU UMUNSI W'INTWARI MU RWANDA ARI IKINYOMA CYA FPR INKOTANYI

 

Komera bwana Bangamwabo. 

Uzi ko koko ahali icyica Urwanda ali abaseruka babeshya bati "tuje gutabara cyangwa se kuvugira abanyarwanda nkaho hali uwabibatumye cyangwa se wabibasabye!" Nta munyarwanda ushinzwe undi, buli wese yishakira ikimutunga naho-aba, uretse ko yifashisha abandi ngo agere kubyo ashaka. Sire Kagame yabikinnye neza ashaka kwibonera third term limit atarushye!

Nuko rero ba Kayibanda hali abamukezaga ngo babone uko biberaho; aguye bose bajya gushakira amakiliro muli MRND, nayo kandi iguye bagannye muli RPF. Bimwe twunvise ngo Habyarimana yatanze amasheki bishobora kuba byaratewe n'ikidodo kuli roho ye, nka kumwe Kagame agira atya akifata nk'ukulikiza ibyo umubyeyi Bisinda yamusabaga. Ntacyerekana ko ibi bikorwa kubera kunva ko bashinzwe abanyarwanda.


Nubu abaguye hilya no hino ni "kazi yawo", ubundi hakunzwe kuvugwa ko ntabo. Hazwi gusa abaguye muli jenocide yakorewe abatutsi basa. Abasenyeli, abihayImmana n'abandi bafite ikibatunze ntakibareba, buli wese yiyambalira imishanana agasingiza iterambere limugabulira, umunsi kandi lizaba litakigabura bazalitera umugongo. 


Uti diaspora. Huu, diaspora se yo si abanyarwanda bayigize? Ntabwo se abenshi ali ibitambambuga ababyeyi bahetse babihungisha urwagwiliye abo ku Rwesero, Curazo, Kibeho, Nyakinama, n'ahandi, bakabigeza iyo za Senegali, Buraya, Amerika na Aziya. None barasoretse baliruka bagaruka Ikigali muli ngwino-urebe cyangwa se bafata amatike yo kwitaba Rwanda-day. Bahagera bakagabulirwa, bagasasirwa bakilyamira nta gusaba kujya gushyira amashyurwe ku bituro by'abavandimwe ababyeyi batashoboye kurokora cyangwa se gusaba ko imirambo ikili mu misarane yashyingurwa: none ikosa ni ilyande? Ntawe kuko ntawe ushinzwe undi, keretse gusa mu madiskuru. 

Ngibyo ngayo; ibindi ni amanyanga kandi menshi! 




De : fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr> de la part de Martin Bangamwabo mbangamwabo@yahoo.fr [fondationbanyarwanda] <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>
Envoyé : lundi 1 février 2016 15:19
À : fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr; joseph.sebarenzi@worldlearning.org; ally.yusuf.mugenzi@bbc.co.uk; abdallah.akishuli@yahoo.com; samcyprien@hotmail.com; kdonatien@hotmail.com; gidius21@hotmail.fr; jngarambe2010@yahoo.fr; evmpamo@yahoo.com; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; abasangizi@gmail.com; jeanmarie.ndagijimana@gmail.com; rdi_rwanda810@yahoo.fr
Objet : Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] TR: UKUNTU UMUNSI W'INTWARI MU RWANDA ARI IKINYOMA CYA FPR INKOTANYI
 
 

 
Ariko se bwana KOTA, mwacishije make.
Aho mutuye haba muri AMerika cyangwa mu burayi cyangwa se ahandi muri Afurika, ko Kagamé atahafite power, mwagerageje kwerekana ko muriho.
Muti mu Rwanda, ubutegetsi, iyo buvuze abanyarwanda buba bwivugira abatutsi gusa naho abahutu bakabura ubavugira.
 
Partons sur le fait que c'est vrai. Kagame atarafata ingoma, abo bahutu bavugiwe na nde?
Imiryango ya Kayibanda na bangenzi be yigenze nibura ishobora gushyingura ababo bishwe?
Bitaniye he se n'ab'ubu batikiriye mu Rwanda no muri Zaîre no mu bindi bihugu bakaba badashobora kubaririra mu Rwanda?
 
Gusa akabazo kamwe: Ko kugeza ubu nta munsi nzi diaspora yashyizeho wo kwibuka abantu bose biciwe mu Rwanda no muri Zaïre n'ahandi? Na byo se ni KAGAME ubabuza?
Niba ariwe, akabuza abantu mu bihugu byose by'isi akabishobora, dans ce cas muyamanike, nti mwamushobora.




De : "kota venant kotakori@hotmail.com [fondationbanyarwanda]" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>
À : "joseph.sebarenzi@worldlearning.org" <joseph.sebarenzi@worldlearning.org>; "ally.yusuf.mugenzi@bbc.co.uk" <ally.yusuf.mugenzi@bbc.co.uk>; "abdallah.akishuli@yahoo.com" <abdallah.akishuli@yahoo.com>; "samcyprien@hotmail.com" <samcyprien@hotmail.com>; "kdonatien@hotmail.com" <kdonatien@hotmail.com>; "gidius21@hotmail.fr" <gidius21@hotmail.fr>; "jngarambe2010@yahoo.fr" <jngarambe2010@yahoo.fr>; "evmpamo@yahoo.com" <evmpamo@yahoo.com>; "fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>; "haguruka@yahoogroups.com" <haguruka@yahoogroups.com>; "abasangizi@gmail.com" <abasangizi@gmail.com>; "jeanmarie.ndagijimana@gmail.com" <jeanmarie.ndagijimana@gmail.com>; "rdi_rwanda810@yahoo.fr" <rdi_rwanda810@yahoo.fr>
Envoyé le : Lundi 1 février 2016 14h45
Objet : [fondationbanyarwanda] TR: UKUNTU UMUNSI W'INTWARI MU RWANDA ARI IKINYOMA CYA FPR INKOTANYI

 
Abasangizi bati "Amateka y'u Rwanda atabogamye agaragariza buri wese ushaka kuyamenya uko ari, ko Umwami Mutara III Rudahigwa yari afite iye definition y'abanyarwanda yihariye imeze nk'iyo perezida Kagame afite. Bombi iyo bavuga abanyarwanda ibi, abanyarwanda biriya, baba bavuga abatutsi gusa, abahutu ntibaba barimo. Ngiyo definition yabo y'abanyarwanda."
Nyamara aba batware bombi ni abahanga. Bavumbuye ko gukoresha "abanyarwanda" bituma baha byose abo bashaka, aliko ntihagire uwashobora kubagiliza bimwe byo kwa Habyarimana ngo hali ubwoko ubu n'ubu baheje aha n'aha. Na "ndi umunyarwanda" nicyo igamije, ko ababo bihalira aheza hose aliko ntihagire utabalinyuma watera hejuru, kuko bamubaza bati ese twamenya dute ibyo uvuga, kandi bo babizi bakoresha ayo moko mu cyayenge nkuko inkoko isusuruka! 
Aho inyungu itali, baratobora bakavuga abatutsi, abahutu n'abatwa (abasigajwe inyuma n'amateka). 
Ni nuko genocide yabaye iyakorewe abatutsi, abahutu  n'abatwa bicanywe nabo bakaba ibimonyo bitavugwa. Nguko uko abacikacumu babaye abatutsi gusa, bakitabwaho bonyine naho abo abahutu bakagwa ku gasi.
Ku bujyanye n'ibyo kuvuga intwali nyazo za Rwanda (abo ba Prosper Bwanakweli, etc.), byashoboka bite ahantu hakoreshwa ikinyoma gisa gisa? Ahubwo muze twigire inyuma ya bamwe bivuga ko bahagalitse genocide, uretse ko bidutangaza ukuntu ba Clinton, Blair, Warren, etc. batarababonera Nobel Price ngo batujugunyireho utuvungunyukira!  





De : Anastase Gasana <gasana31@gmail.com>
Envoyé : vendredi 29 janvier 2016 15:54
À : joseph.sebarenzi@worldlearning.org; UDAHEMUKA Eric; em.hame@laposte.net; eugeneu2003@yahoo.fr; Elenga Enkoy; UWIMANA Espÿffffffffffe9rance; Muziraguhunga Elasto; Patriote Rwandais; f; ITAHUKA IJWI RYIHURIRO NYARWANDA; Theogene Rudasingwa; Olivier Rukundo; tubehotwese; Twizeyimana Vincent; Innocent TWAGIRAMUNGU; theafricawatch@gmail.com; tsalmyd@yahoo.fr; inkuruzagasabo@yahoo.fr; diditedy@yahoo.fr; sisievariste@yahoo.fr; UMUSOTO; freddy usabuwera; ally.yusuf.mugenzi@bbc.co.uk; Isaac MUKESHIMANA; Ikaze Iwacu; ikinyamakuru Umurabyo Umurabyo; paulrusesabagina@yahoo.fr; Niyonshuti Pacifique; joseph hakizimana; Providence R.; FORUM Amakuru; lafiancee armee; Rwanda-All@yahoogroups.com; abdallah.akishuli@yahoo.com; Biramahire salvator; samcyprien@hotmail.com; f; john dayi; f; Batungwanayo Felicien; GREAT-LAKES; Kanyemera Gaspard; Gerald Gahima; kdonatien@hotmail.com; John Ndahiriwe; JACQUES KANYAMIBWA; kota venant; Zephanie SEMAHORO; Japhet Mwizerwa; Veritasinfo Ngoga; BN B; mngolole@yahoo.com; Justin Minani; jmhigiro@hotmail.com; jmarie Micombero; abdoulmizero@gmail.com; Shema Bruno; ayurwandabernard@yahoo.com; cadinn2@yaho.fr; kwihangana cadeau innocent; Modeste Ngezenubwo; nganji alype; mutama75@gmail.com; hagenimanajean@yahoo.fr; aliceakana@yahoo.fr; nsabimana Alphonse; Nsabimana Joseph; nayihikik@aol.com; mariojansen11@yahoo.fr; sylvestret@gmail.com; uwayopatrick@yahoo.fr; kaludamas@voila.fr; Richard Kayumba; alex.sema@yahoo.fr; alexandre_nsh@hotmail.com; Bakunzibake Alexis; Duharanire Uburenganzira; BARAKA IBRAHIM; mahoro iwacu; Lombe Makassi; felin.gakwaya@bbc.co.uk; Bonaventure Uwanyirigira; Nkusi Uwimana Agnes; www.umuryango .com; jambosana karibu; ruthatheogene@yahoo.fr; goodluck4uber@gmail.com; sjm12@yahoo.fr; gidius21@hotmail.fr; jngarambe2010@yahoo.fr; Nkiko Nsengimana; sixchris@netti.fi; MUGABO Edison; Gaston Nkurunziza; ndagijimanagustave@yahoo.com; sembagares@yahoo.com; Dukuze Vincent; joyeusebeni@yahoo.fr; nigena.claude@yahoo.fr; ndekezi82000@yahoo.fr; evmpamo@yahoo.com; dutegerezeantoine@yahoo.fr; ituyisenge@hotmail.com; Andre Uwizeyimana
Objet : Re: UKUNTU UMUNSI W'INTWARI MU RWANDA ARI IKINYOMA CYA FPR INKOTANYI
 


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-Ce dont jai le plus peur, cest des gens qui croient que, du jour  au lendemain, on peut prendre une société, lui tordre le cou et en faire une autre.
-The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
-I have loved justice and hated iniquity: therefore I die in exile.
-The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.
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Monday, 1 February 2016

[haguruka.com] Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] TR: UKUNTU UMUNSI W'INTWARI MU RWANDA ARI IKINYOMA CYA FPR INKOTANYI

 

 
Ariko se bwana KOTA, mwacishije make.
Aho mutuye haba muri AMerika cyangwa mu burayi cyangwa se ahandi muri Afurika, ko Kagamé atahafite power, mwagerageje kwerekana ko muriho.
Muti mu Rwanda, ubutegetsi, iyo buvuze abanyarwanda buba bwivugira abatutsi gusa naho abahutu bakabura ubavugira.
 
Partons sur le fait que c'est vrai. Kagame atarafata ingoma, abo bahutu bavugiwe na nde?
Imiryango ya Kayibanda na bangenzi be yigenze nibura ishobora gushyingura ababo bishwe?
Bitaniye he se n'ab'ubu batikiriye mu Rwanda no muri Zaîre no mu bindi bihugu bakaba badashobora kubaririra mu Rwanda?
 
Gusa akabazo kamwe: Ko kugeza ubu nta munsi nzi diaspora yashyizeho wo kwibuka abantu bose biciwe mu Rwanda no muri Zaïre n'ahandi? Na byo se ni KAGAME ubabuza?
Niba ariwe, akabuza abantu mu bihugu byose by'isi akabishobora, dans ce cas muyamanike, nti mwamushobora.




De : "kota venant kotakori@hotmail.com [fondationbanyarwanda]" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>
À : "joseph.sebarenzi@worldlearning.org" <joseph.sebarenzi@worldlearning.org>; "ally.yusuf.mugenzi@bbc.co.uk" <ally.yusuf.mugenzi@bbc.co.uk>; "abdallah.akishuli@yahoo.com" <abdallah.akishuli@yahoo.com>; "samcyprien@hotmail.com" <samcyprien@hotmail.com>; "kdonatien@hotmail.com" <kdonatien@hotmail.com>; "gidius21@hotmail.fr" <gidius21@hotmail.fr>; "jngarambe2010@yahoo.fr" <jngarambe2010@yahoo.fr>; "evmpamo@yahoo.com" <evmpamo@yahoo.com>; "fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>; "haguruka@yahoogroups.com" <haguruka@yahoogroups.com>; "abasangizi@gmail.com" <abasangizi@gmail.com>; "jeanmarie.ndagijimana@gmail.com" <jeanmarie.ndagijimana@gmail.com>; "rdi_rwanda810@yahoo.fr" <rdi_rwanda810@yahoo.fr>
Envoyé le : Lundi 1 février 2016 14h45
Objet : [fondationbanyarwanda] TR: UKUNTU UMUNSI W'INTWARI MU RWANDA ARI IKINYOMA CYA FPR INKOTANYI

 
Abasangizi bati "Amateka y'u Rwanda atabogamye agaragariza buri wese ushaka kuyamenya uko ari, ko Umwami Mutara III Rudahigwa yari afite iye definition y'abanyarwanda yihariye imeze nk'iyo perezida Kagame afite. Bombi iyo bavuga abanyarwanda ibi, abanyarwanda biriya, baba bavuga abatutsi gusa, abahutu ntibaba barimo. Ngiyo definition yabo y'abanyarwanda."
Nyamara aba batware bombi ni abahanga. Bavumbuye ko gukoresha "abanyarwanda" bituma baha byose abo bashaka, aliko ntihagire uwashobora kubagiliza bimwe byo kwa Habyarimana ngo hali ubwoko ubu n'ubu baheje aha n'aha. Na "ndi umunyarwanda" nicyo igamije, ko ababo bihalira aheza hose aliko ntihagire utabalinyuma watera hejuru, kuko bamubaza bati ese twamenya dute ibyo uvuga, kandi bo babizi bakoresha ayo moko mu cyayenge nkuko inkoko isusuruka! 
Aho inyungu itali, baratobora bakavuga abatutsi, abahutu n'abatwa (abasigajwe inyuma n'amateka). 
Ni nuko genocide yabaye iyakorewe abatutsi, abahutu  n'abatwa bicanywe nabo bakaba ibimonyo bitavugwa. Nguko uko abacikacumu babaye abatutsi gusa, bakitabwaho bonyine naho abo abahutu bakagwa ku gasi.
Ku bujyanye n'ibyo kuvuga intwali nyazo za Rwanda (abo ba Prosper Bwanakweli, etc.), byashoboka bite ahantu hakoreshwa ikinyoma gisa gisa? Ahubwo muze twigire inyuma ya bamwe bivuga ko bahagalitse genocide, uretse ko bidutangaza ukuntu ba Clinton, Blair, Warren, etc. batarababonera Nobel Price ngo batujugunyireho utuvungunyukira!  





De : Anastase Gasana <gasana31@gmail.com>
Envoyé : vendredi 29 janvier 2016 15:54
À : joseph.sebarenzi@worldlearning.org; UDAHEMUKA Eric; em.hame@laposte.net; eugeneu2003@yahoo.fr; Elenga Enkoy; UWIMANA Espÿffffffffffe9rance; Muziraguhunga Elasto; Patriote Rwandais; f; ITAHUKA IJWI RYIHURIRO NYARWANDA; Theogene Rudasingwa; Olivier Rukundo; tubehotwese; Twizeyimana Vincent; Innocent TWAGIRAMUNGU; theafricawatch@gmail.com; tsalmyd@yahoo.fr; inkuruzagasabo@yahoo.fr; diditedy@yahoo.fr; sisievariste@yahoo.fr; UMUSOTO; freddy usabuwera; ally.yusuf.mugenzi@bbc.co.uk; Isaac MUKESHIMANA; Ikaze Iwacu; ikinyamakuru Umurabyo Umurabyo; paulrusesabagina@yahoo.fr; Niyonshuti Pacifique; joseph hakizimana; Providence R.; FORUM Amakuru; lafiancee armee; Rwanda-All@yahoogroups.com; abdallah.akishuli@yahoo.com; Biramahire salvator; samcyprien@hotmail.com; f; john dayi; f; Batungwanayo Felicien; GREAT-LAKES; Kanyemera Gaspard; Gerald Gahima; kdonatien@hotmail.com; John Ndahiriwe; JACQUES KANYAMIBWA; kota venant; Zephanie SEMAHORO; Japhet Mwizerwa; Veritasinfo Ngoga; BN B; mngolole@yahoo.com; Justin Minani; jmhigiro@hotmail.com; jmarie Micombero; abdoulmizero@gmail.com; Shema Bruno; ayurwandabernard@yahoo.com; cadinn2@yaho.fr; kwihangana cadeau innocent; Modeste Ngezenubwo; nganji alype; mutama75@gmail.com; hagenimanajean@yahoo.fr; aliceakana@yahoo.fr; nsabimana Alphonse; Nsabimana Joseph; nayihikik@aol.com; mariojansen11@yahoo.fr; sylvestret@gmail.com; uwayopatrick@yahoo.fr; kaludamas@voila.fr; Richard Kayumba; alex.sema@yahoo.fr; alexandre_nsh@hotmail.com; Bakunzibake Alexis; Duharanire Uburenganzira; BARAKA IBRAHIM; mahoro iwacu; Lombe Makassi; felin.gakwaya@bbc.co.uk; Bonaventure Uwanyirigira; Nkusi Uwimana Agnes; www.umuryango .com; jambosana karibu; ruthatheogene@yahoo.fr; goodluck4uber@gmail.com; sjm12@yahoo.fr; gidius21@hotmail.fr; jngarambe2010@yahoo.fr; Nkiko Nsengimana; sixchris@netti.fi; MUGABO Edison; Gaston Nkurunziza; ndagijimanagustave@yahoo.com; sembagares@yahoo.com; Dukuze Vincent; joyeusebeni@yahoo.fr; nigena.claude@yahoo.fr; ndekezi82000@yahoo.fr; evmpamo@yahoo.com; dutegerezeantoine@yahoo.fr; ituyisenge@hotmail.com; Andre Uwizeyimana
Objet : Re: UKUNTU UMUNSI W'INTWARI MU RWANDA ARI IKINYOMA CYA FPR INKOTANYI
 


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Posted by: Martin Bangamwabo <mbangamwabo@yahoo.fr>
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-Ce dont jai le plus peur, cest des gens qui croient que, du jour  au lendemain, on peut prendre une société, lui tordre le cou et en faire une autre.
-The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
-I have loved justice and hated iniquity: therefore I die in exile.
-The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.
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[haguruka.com] TR: UKUNTU UMUNSI W'INTWARI MU RWANDA ARI IKINYOMA CYA FPR INKOTANYI

 

Abasangizi bati "Amateka y'u Rwanda atabogamye agaragariza buri wese ushaka kuyamenya uko ari, ko Umwami Mutara III Rudahigwa yari afite iye definition y'abanyarwanda yihariye imeze nk'iyo perezida Kagame afite. Bombi iyo bavuga abanyarwanda ibi, abanyarwanda biriya, baba bavuga abatutsi gusa, abahutu ntibaba barimo. Ngiyo definition yabo y'abanyarwanda."

Nyamara aba batware bombi ni abahanga. Bavumbuye ko gukoresha "abanyarwanda" bituma baha byose abo bashaka, aliko ntihagire uwashobora kubagiliza bimwe byo kwa Habyarimana ngo hali ubwoko ubu n'ubu baheje aha n'aha. Na "ndi umunyarwanda" nicyo igamije, ko ababo bihalira aheza hose aliko ntihagire utabalinyuma watera hejuru, kuko bamubaza bati ese twamenya dute ibyo uvuga, kandi bo babizi bakoresha ayo moko mu cyayenge nkuko inkoko isusuruka! 

Aho inyungu itali, baratobora bakavuga abatutsi, abahutu n'abatwa (abasigajwe inyuma n'amateka). 

Ni nuko genocide yabaye iyakorewe abatutsi, abahutu  n'abatwa bicanywe nabo bakaba ibimonyo bitavugwa. Nguko uko abacikacumu babaye abatutsi gusa, bakitabwaho bonyine naho abo abahutu bakagwa ku gasi.

Ku bujyanye n'ibyo kuvuga intwali nyazo za Rwanda (abo ba Prosper Bwanakweli, etc.), byashoboka bite ahantu hakoreshwa ikinyoma gisa gisa? Ahubwo muze twigire inyuma ya bamwe bivuga ko bahagalitse genocide, uretse ko bidutangaza ukuntu ba Clinton, Blair, Warren, etc. batarababonera Nobel Price ngo batujugunyireho utuvungunyukira!  






De : Anastase Gasana <gasana31@gmail.com>
Envoyé : vendredi 29 janvier 2016 15:54
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Sunday, 31 January 2016

[haguruka.com] A provocation on Burundi

 


While I am not an expert on Burundi, I, like many others right now, am watching with dismay as violence in the country continues. My recent research has been on atrocity endings and Burundi today echoes with one finding from my work: the difference between halting (or in this case forestalling) mass atrocities and advancing democratization. These two valuable endeavors, history informs us, are not the same. While clearly strongly institutionalized democracies are the best system for protecting civilians from mass violence inflicted by their own government, the timeline, processes and priorities of mass violence and institutionalizing democracy are not the same, and in some cases, they can work at odds with each other.

From the vantage point of comparative study of atrocity endings, the most potent factor is to stabilize the political situation, removing as many uncertainties as are possible, while increasing pressure to protect civilians from violence. The task: clarify the political issues and forge international (especially regional) consensus, while increasing pressure and specificity of demands regarding the patterns of violence, and adding resources to support the actual work of protection, be it international monitors, police or military units.

So how might this apply to Burundi? Stabilizing and clarifying the political situation is not the same as expanding the arena for democratization, which often includes more uncertainties, ambiguities and diverse voices. Efforts to deepen democratic practice and atrocity prevention part ways at some along the continuum when violence is underway. If stabilization and ending political uncertainty are the critical ingredients for atrocity prevention when violence is on-going and seems likely to escalate, as many believe is the case in Burundi, then fully recognizing the electoral triumph of Pres. Nkurunziza is necessary. Calm his fears that international efforts in the name of protection are not actually regime change efforts. Such an approach may be unsavory, but it is not illegitimate. Here is why:

It is my understanding that the President's party, the CNDD, would have won the presidential election with whichever candidate they put forward. In short, they had the votes.

While the maneuvering that Nkurunziza engaged in to find a legal loophole allowing him to seek a third term would not likely hold up under any neutral scrutiny of the key documents (the Arusha Acccords and the constitution), he did maneuver through the existing foundational documents and institutions. The constitutional court, which reviewed his third term arguments, was undoubtedly biased as the judges are presidential appointees, but that is not a situation he created, that is the structure of Burundi's system. He did win an election, yes, a deeply flawed election, but one where some opposition members did manage to win or hold their seats as well. As a colleague pointed out to me, in Senegal, the president attempted a similar move by seeking an arguably illegal additional term, but he did not have the votes, so ran and lost the election. Burundi's opposition could not achieve this.

The political opposition, in short, did not have the votes. This does not mean they deserve to be politically excommunicated—or brutalized as has happened with some–but it does mean their efforts to shift the conversation about legitimacy to extra-systemic political and military action is at least as illegitimate as the President's third term, if not more. They have abandoned the pretense of following the rules, whereas he warped the existing rules.

Outside pressure and threats of military intervention to overturn even controversial and flawed elections, when the opposition did not have the votes to win in any case, is a deeply problematic position. Yet this is the undercurrent of U.S., other western states' and the AU's approach to Burundi. In the name of genocide prevention, "not another Rwanda," the glimmer of intervention and remaining ambiguity in international positions on the elections is arguably likely to increase and prolong the period of violence.

One option that errs on the side of atrocities prevention would be to recognize the results of the elections as they stand. This need not by any means translate into carte blanche for Nkurunziza. His comments that seemed to signal willingness to abandon the historical accommodation enshrined in the Arusha Accords should be countered with resolute opposition by the international community. It is time, the message should be, to return to and re-validate the institutions established as the foundation of Burundi's post-conflict dispensation as the very ones to pave the way for Burundi's political future. In other words, it is time for everyone, internationals and the opposition included, to return to politics without relying on trump cards.

Further, ethnic polarization in public discourse should be unequivocally denounced. More than denouncing the inflammatory speech, Burundi's political leaders should be responsible for issuing statements that intentionally calm violence. Any efforts to stabilize the political situation should be accompanied by fervent pressure that the leaders who benefit act like real leaders.

Would such a program help correct the distortion of democratic institutions initiated by the President's bid for a third term? No, I do not think it does. This harm has been done, but it is unclear to me how it could be undone by caveat at this point without considerably more violence than what we've already seen.

Deepening democratic processes is not a crisis-driven endeavor. Democracy is nothing if not systemic—a set of practices that get worn into the regular course of political contention, channeled through institutions established for this purpose rather than routed around them. It is a language of engaged and accountable reform; it lacks drama and requires consensus and community building over the longer haul. For people outside a country who wish to support the growth of democracy, the greatest contribution is slow steady application of principles that return contention to debate and nonviolent organizing.

We do not see such an approach at present regarding presidential term limits in Africa from the AU or the wider international community, which has responded to various efforts to alter constitutions as if each case could be entirely isolated from every other case. Absent systemic and predictable responses, and given the very real and apparently escalating threat of widespread violence in Burundi, an atrocities prevention approach that errs on the side of stability would be more realizable than one predicated on 'fixing' democracy through crisis intervention.

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[haguruka.com] Re: Etat islamique (Daech) mu Rwanda?: Polisi irimo kwivuguruza

 

"Assistant Commissioner of Police Theos Badege, Umuyobozi w'ishami rishinzwe gukurikirana ibyaha muri Police y'u Rwanda yabwiye abanyamakuru ko mu iperereza bakoze kugeza ubu bamenye ko umugambi w'uriya mugabo warashwe n'abo bakoranaga utari uwo guhungabanya umutekano w'u Rwanda ahubwo gushakisha urubyiruko rwo kujyana mu mutwe wa Islamic State", Umuseke, Kuwa 30 Mutarama, 2016.


On Jan 31, 2016, at 6:25 AM, itwagira71 itwagira71@gmail.com [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 

Etat islamique (Daech) mu Rwanda?: Polisi irimo kwivuguruza

Police y' u Rwanda yatangaje ko mu Rwanda nta mitwe y' iterabwoba ihari, nta n'ibikorwa byayo bihari,  nta n'abantu bigeze bajya mu bikorwa by'iterabwoba. None se abishwe na police n'abafunzwe bazize iki?

Iri tangazo ngo ririmo guhita ku maradio yose yo mu Rwanda. 

Nyamara mu binyamakuru by'abazungu, u Rwanda ruremeza ko polisi ihanganye n'abayislamu bakorera Daech /ISIS (Etat islamique. 

BBC Afrique - Rwanda : des djihadistes présumés arrêtés http://www.bbc.com/afrique/region/2016/01/160130_rwanda-djihadists

Izi ndimi ebyiri (urubwirwa abanyarwanda n'urubwirwa abazungu ) FPR irimo gukoresha zigamije iki?
 
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-“The root cause of the Rwandan tragedy of 1994 is the long and past historical ethnic dominance of one minority ethnic group to the other majority ethnic group. Ignoring this reality is giving a black cheque for the Rwandan people’s future and deepening resentment, hostility and hatred between the two groups.”

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