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Yewe bwana  Bangamwabo,
Inkotanyi wenda ziracyashakisha aliko ntizirabona ubulyo bwo kurasa kuli Kota. Ahubwo zamwiciye abe 19. Nyamara ibili amambu ziyibagije ko atazangaga, ni ikimenyimenyi bamwe muli benewabo (Bizimungu, Sendashonga, Kanyarengwe, Lizinde, Cyiza, Rwarakabije, Uwilingiyimana, Twagiramungu, etc.) alibo baliho bazirwanilira ngo zigere i Kigali!
Icyokora Kota naramuka apfuye/yishwe mbere yawe bwana Bangamwabo, ikizimu cye kikagutera aho uba, uzakibandirwe iza " Lyangombe na Binego bya Kajumba wowe ukina Inkonjo Nyabakonjo" cyangwa se uzasabe padiri wo muli Kiliziya Gatolika akivugire " misa uzabera umuhereza". Kimwe muli ibyo byombi wazahitamo azagishima, ntaruhanya.

PS.: Ubundi nti tuba twiliwe tugusubiza mu rwego rwo kwilinda guharabika posting y'abandi; aliko rero muvandimwe, kurera abato bacu ngo bamenye uko bifata bashowe mu matiku tubona bikili ngombwa cyane, ni ibyo tuliho dukora abanyarubuga batubabalire. 
   
 


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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 08:16:41 +0000
Subject: Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 

Bwana KOTA se, nshimye ko nterekera kiriya kizimu cu'umwana w'umuhungu wibereye i Tingi-tingi akanga akantera. None se iki Kizimu kitwa KOTA cyo ndakibandirwa iza hehe?

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Objet : FW: [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 
Hee bwana Bangamwabo, uzigore usome neza diskuru ya Madamu Ingabire wa FDU ku Rwibutso rwa Gisozi utibagiwe n'imanza zayikozweho muli rukiko rw'ikirenga (cour supreme) rwa Rwanda. Nurangiza kubisoma ukunva ugifite ibidasobanutse bijyanye n'iki kibazo cyawe cya cyambere, ubwo uzatubwire tugusobanulire.  Twizeye ko  na Bwana Nzinink azatugoboka kugira ngo tugusobanulire nk'aba professa babikwiye, batali bamwe intore zirwa ziha urwamenyo zibita ba the best docta  kuko ngo zamaze kabina imiti. 

Naho kuby'uyu mwana w'umuhungu, ni akumiro wagushije! Kuko tuzi, kandi nabo barabyivugira, ko inkotanyi zidahusha iyo zirasa, ni ntyoza. Ubwo rero uyu muhungu yalishwe ntashiti. Ahubwo ikizimu cye nicyo cyahingutse aho uba, kigutera ubwoba. 
Muvandimwe rero, fata umuheha (pipe) uwukoze muli divayi, usome umire gake agasigaye mu muheha ugatonyangilize mu ziko (cyangwa kuli cooker), ugira uti "Seka gororoka, tanga amahoro!". Hanyuma  unalilimbe ya ndilimbo ya Bwana Kizito Mihigo wo mu Bufundu yise ''Igisobanuro cy'urupfu", icyo kizimu nturongera kukibona ngo uhahamuke wibaza byinshi. 


 

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:00:52 +0000
Subject: Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 

Ese bwana KOTA, iyo uvuze abacikacumu n'abanyarwanda basanzwe, ubatandukanya gute?
Ejo hari umwana w'umuhungu ( ariko afite 37 ans...) yagenze amahanga agera za Tingi-tingi, inkotanya imurasaho arashibuka aribira yuburukira Bangui none ageze ino.
Yaravugaga ati jye ndi Umucikacumu. Urumva avuga ukuli cyangwa arashinyagura?

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Envoyé le : Jeudi 1 octobre 2015 16h29
Objet : [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 
Murakoze muvandimwe Nzinink.
Amahanga nyine azi ibyo yakoze hamwe n'inkotanyi (iliya link twerekanye ni preuve y'ibyo koko). Noneho iyo umuntu avuze ku by'iwacu mu bulyo bunyuranya n'ugushaka kw'inkotanyi, RPF ihita imubonamo umwanzi kabombo.
Ikamufunga/ikamwica iyo ali mu Rwanda; ikamuhiga inamuhigisha iyo ali hanze, igakoresha rero baliya bayishyigikiye ikamubasaba. Noneho ayo mahanga agashora imanza-matiku (ntatinya ndetse no gusubira mu zaciwe azigoreka) ashaka ubulyo yamutanga ngo agaragaze ubushuti magara kwa RPF  hakagerekwaho kandi ko ali n'ubulyo bwo kwikiza imhunzi yaje kuyagagaza no kulya ibyayo. 
Nguwo umutego Prof Munyakazi n'abandi benshi mu banyarwanda balimo. Ngibyo ibituma imanza zarabaye uruduca hose, ntabwo rwose ali urukundo, imhuhwe cyangwa se ubumuntu budasanzwe amahanga afitiye abanyarwanda. Aliko nta joro lidacya, bizashira haganze ukuli nkuko abicishije Galileya bayoyotse we akaba aterekerwa nk'umuhanga w'isi.  

Naho ibyo Ambasada J M Ndagijimana avuga, ni byo:  ni twe abanyarwanda ubwacu twagize ubwugugu, ishyali, ubuliganya n'ubuswa turoha igihugu cyacu mu ntambara n'ibyo ibyara byose. Twararwishigishiye twese, Hutu na Tutsi! Kandi ntacyo twungutse na gito mu mitegekere y'igihugu (dore commission iliho iliga uko  ibyo kwa Habyarimana twabigarura): ntibibuza abapfa gupfa haba mu nkotanyi, haba mu bacikacumu, haba no mu bandi banyarwanda basanzwe. Naho propagande yo nta cyahindutse iracyali imwe ya "Nzaguherekeza Habyarimana". 


 


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From: haguruka@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:10:29 -0400
Subject: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 

Komera Kota,

Reka twiganirire mu rurimi rwa Gihanga ni rwo nishyikira ho cyane.
Iriya nyandiko wandangiye nari nsanzwe nyizi. Icyo nayivuga ho ni uko idasubiza impungenge zanjye n'iza Nsengiyumva ku byerekeye amabanga u Rda na Amerika byaba bifitanye ku byerekeye amahano yagwiriye uRda, ayo mabanga akaba ashobora kuba ari mu bituma Prof Munyakazi atotezwa.

Iriya nyandiko wandangiye kandi nta gishya njye yanyunguye. Icyo igamije mbere na mbere ni ugukingira ikibaba amahanga. Ntigaragaza ukuri kwose ku byabaye mu Rwanda, cyane cyane ukuntu bimwe mu bihugu by'ibihangange byashyigikiye Inkotanyi.

Ibintu njye uko mbibona biteye bitya:

-nta na rimwe biriya bihugu bizigera byemera ko byashyigikiye Inkotanyi;
-biriya bihugu ntibizigera kandi byivuguruza ngo bivuge ko ubwicanyi bwabaye mu Rda atari genocide yakorewe abatutsi;
-k'ubw'amahirwe ubwicanyi bwibasiye abahutu (mu Rda no muri Congo) na bwo buzagera aho bwitabwe ho maze ababwijanditse mo bisobanure imbere y'amategeko.

Ni yo mpamvu, nk'uko Amb. JMV Ndagijimana yabivuze mu minsi yashize, abanyarwanda ntitwagombye guhora twitakana amahanga. Ni twe ubwacu (abahutu n'abatutsi) mbere na mbere tugomba kwibaza tukisubiza tugafata n'ingamba nyazo zikumira ariya mahano: nibyo koko twarateranywe ari ko natwe ubwacu ntitukibagirwe ko twatereranye abacu tukanatsembana.

"It is true that we were abandoned. But we abandoned our people, and massacred our own people," Jean-Marie Vianney Ndagijimana, Rwanda's ambassador to Paris during the genocide, said during the review. "Primary responsibility for the genocide, and the crimes that accompanied it, must be borne by us, Rwandans. We must accept that fact before we make accusations against the international community."

Pour votre info:

International Decision Making in the Age of Genocide: Rwanda 1990–94


 

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Subject: FW: [fondationbanyarwanda] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 
Dear netters, we wonder why do people still ask the hen's teeth when its mouth has been widely opened?  
Sir Nzinink, you have nothing to "totally agree with sir Nsengiyunva''. If you were performing other duties, please now open this link and read what is officially known/revealed:  http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB472/ ! The information may allow you to better understand that something common between both powers about the 1994 hell over Rwanda. 
Prof Munyakazi and other likes who dare pointing out seen difficulties in the complicated history of conflict in Rwanda are in a sinking boat and have nothing else or more to do. Only to hope in and pray God for he be ready to receive their soul in paradise!   









And Ndumunyarwanda policy would be telling people that there is/was no ethnic divide in Rwanda [official government policy)!



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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:29:46 -0400
Subject: [fondationbanyarwanda] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 

"It is clear to me, that there is something the US government and Rwandan authorities have in common, about the 1994 hell over Rwanda.  It has nothing to do with justice. And it is what accounts for the deportation of Prof Munyakazi", Celestin Nsengiyumva.

I totally agree with you.
From: Nsengiyumva Celestin <cnnsengi@yahoo.fr>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [uRwanda_rwacu] Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

Something is amiss. If there is no ethnic divide [official government policy; Prof Munyakazi, Father Nahimana], then there was no genocide. It was some sort of national madness. In that case, even the government of Rwanda, while prosecuting genocide deniers, is itself in a situation of genocide denial.   And now, Prof Munyakazi is facing a situation of justice denial.
It is clear to me, that there is something the US government and Rwandan authorities have in common, about the 1994 hell over Rwanda.  It has nothing to do with justice.And it is what accounts for the deportation of Prof Munyakazi.
 


Le Lundi 28 septembre 2015 22h28, "Nzinink nzinink@yahoo.com [uRwanda_rwacu]" <uRwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :


 

Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

Submitted by Ann Garrison on Sat, 09/26/2015 - 21:09

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    KPFA Weekend News, 09.26.2015
    Dr. Léopold Munyakazi has been denied an emergency stay of his extradition to Rwanda. Father Thomas Nahima says that this is unjust because Dr. Munyakazi has committed no crime.
    Transcript: 
    KPFA Weekend News Anchor Sharon Sobotta: Dr. Léopold Munyakazi is in the custody of ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, altDr. Léopold Munyakazi, a former French professor at Gaucher collegein Miami, Florida, where he is on the verge of being deported to Rwanda for alleged crimes related to the 1994 massacres that came to be known as the Rwandan Genocide. This week a court denied his request for an emergency stay so that he could complete the appeals process.
     
    The Rwandan government accused Professor Munyakazi of genocide crime after he made several speeches to university audiences in which he said that the Rwandan massacres were not genocide but class conflict.
     
    KPFA's Ann Garrison spoke to Father Thomas Nahimana about the Munyakazi case. Nahimana is a Catholic priest who plans to return from France to Rwanda in 2016 to challenge incumbent President Paul Kagame in the 2017 election.
     
    KPFA/Ann Garrison: Dr. Léopold Munyakazi, a former French professor at Goucher College, is close to being deported from the U.S., back to Rwanda, for giving several speeches in which he described the massacres as class conflict, not ethnic conflict. He said that Rwandans are the same people, speaking the same language and sharing the same culture. So the Hutu Tutsi conflict was really a class divide, not an ethnic divide. What do you think of that?
     
    Father Thomas Nahimana: Yes. I think that I agree with Munyakazi. I agree very much with him. And the division between Hutu and Tutsi, it is not a matter of blood. It is a matter of political and social interests only.
     
    But this is not a sin. This is not a crime. I don't understand why America accepts that Munyakazi has to face the problem that he is facing nowadays. 
     
    This is analysis which is good, which is good about our society. 
     
    KPFA: Well, when I began to try to understand this, I thought, "You speak the same language. You have the same culture. How am I supposed to understand this Hutu Tutsi divide as ethnic?" 
     
    Nahimana: Yes. The reality is that in our country, we are one people. Yes, we speak the same language. We marry each other, and the problems rise only when there is power to share. The international community must know that really, Hutu and Tutsi, it is not a problem of blood. It is only a problem of economic and political interests only. 
     
    KPFA: That would be a really radical change in the way the world thinks about Rwanda because we're commonly told that the U.S. needs to go to war, as in Libya or Syria, to stop genocide, as we failed to in Rwanda. Could you comment on that? 
     
    Nahimana: I think the problem of Rwandan Genocide is always complicated because the genocide happened when there was a civil war since four years. So, there was a part who wanted to win the war and to take power. And that part was RPF led by Paul Kagame. They didn't want anyone to intervene to stop that. That's true. They wanted to take power. The international community hasn't any fault. I can say that because we know, by history, that RPF wrote letters to the UN saying that they didn't want anybody to intervene.
     
    When they talk about genocide, they speak only about what happened in the part that was governed by the former government of Habyarimana, but they never talk about what was happening in the part where it was RPF. 
     
    KPFA: OK, you're talking about the areas that were RPF territory. The violence and atrocities that took place in territory controlled by the RPF - the winners - that's not reported. 
     
    Nahimana: Yes, and we are asking ourselves why the international community continues to keep a blind eye to the atrocities committed by the RPF, and that is a big problem for reconciliation in Rwanda.
     
    KPFA: And that was Father Thomas Nahimana speaking about the extradition case of former Goucher College French professor Dr. Léopold Munyakazi. Munyakazi's lawyer and supporters say that he will not recant his description of the Rwandan massacres as a class conflict because too many lives in the African Great Lakes Region depend on truth being told.

    For Pacifica, KPFA and AfrobeatRadio, I'm Ann Garrison. 
     


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    [haguruka.com] « Rwanda –Day » : Une arme à double tranchant…

     


    « Rwanda –Day » : Une arme à double tranchant…

    faustin Kabanza
    05/10/2015 13:55    Actualité

    A travers ce dispositif appelé « Rwanda-Days » le Gouvernement rwandais cherche, ces dernières années, à rencontrer ce qu'il appelle « la diaspora rwandaise » vivant surtout en Occident. Selon beaucoup d'observateurs, ce dispositif commence à susciter beaucoup d'interrogations d'autant plus chaque rencontre est émaillée de débordements et d'échauffourées.

    Selon le sens de la dénomination « diaspora rwandaise », on peut, a priori, penser que tous les rwandais résidant à l'étranger, dans un tel pays ou une telle région, sont les bienvenus à de telles rencontres pour poser des questions, échanger avec les autorités rwandaises (notamment avec le président Kagame présent à toutes les séances). Or, certains Rwandais semblent hélas exclus de ce dispositif, comme on peut le lire dans les médias et les réseaux sociaux.

    La liste des exclus est composée en l'occurrence, de politiciens de l'opposition et les rwandais de la société civile qui ont, de près ou de loin, un regard critique sur certains disfonctionnements de la politique rwandaise.

    Selon des témoignages repris sur les réseaux sociaux ou dans les médias, les rwandais pro-gouvernement sont généreusement invités à « Rwanda-Day ». Leur transport et leur prise en charge sur place semblent être assurés par le gouvernement rwandais.
    De là, on se pose la question de savoir à quoi sert réellement « Rwanda-Day » s'il n'est composé que des rwandais de l'étranger inscrits sur la ligne politique du gouvernement, sans la moindre discordance. Dans un tel contexte, il ne s'agit pas, à vrai dire, de rencontrer toute la diaspora rwandaise mais plutôt une partie de la diaspora dont la plupart sont certainement des membres du parti au pouvoir et des sympathisants.

    « Rwanda-Days »  a besoin d'être défini…

    Pour éviter le flou qui règne autour de ce dispositif, les rwandais et les étrangers ont besoin de savoir exactement ses missions et sa finalité. L'absence du cadre précis de ce dispositif conduit à des rumeurs et aux préjugés.

    Certains rwandais pensent, par exemple, que ces rencontres n'ont qu'un seul but d'occulter des erreurs et des bavures du gouvernement rwandais, qui montre à l'Occident une image qui ne corrobore pas avec la réalité. Dans ce cas, «Rwanda-Day » ne peut qu'être considéré comme un moyen de distraction et de manipulation de l'opinion nationale et internationale.

    La définition de « Rwanda-Day» permettra à cet effet de lever toutes ces ambigüités mais le plus important sera encore et surtout de le concrétiser par des gestes factuels, impliquant tous les rwandais dans l'organisation et le déroulement de cette manifestation.

    « Rwanda-Day » : un terrain d'affrontements

    Le gouvernement rwandais trouve-t-il réellement son compte à organiser ce genre de manifestations ? Quel bilan le Rwanda peut-il tirer de ce dispositif qui se déroule chaque fois dans un climat de tensions ?

    En France, en Angleterre ou encore tout récemment au Pays Bas (pour ne citer que ces trois pays européens), « Rwanda-Day » a été une opportunité saisie in extremis par les rwandais et les congolais sceptiques au régime de Kigali pour manifester leur indignation. Présents aux alentours du lieu prévu pour « Rwanda-Day », ces manifestants quasi spontanés se retrouvent dans un face à face avec les pro-Kigali, obligeant la police locale à intervenir pour séparer les deux camps.

    Pendant et après chaque « Rwanda-Day », les médias ne diffusent que le déroulement des échauffourées entre les manifestants et cela occupe une place importante sur la scène médiatique.

    Pour le coup, au lieu de montrer une bonne image du Rwanda, le « Rwanda-Day » semble plutôt afficher une image négative du Rwanda. On peut s'inquiéter que ce dispositif pourra tôt ou tard, s'il garde la même configuration actuelle, réveiller les vieux démons rwandais sur les terres occidentales.

    Bref, « Rwanda-Day » bien défini, cadré et ouvert pourrait être un outil qui permettrait à la diaspora rwandaise sans distinction d'ouvrir un débat dépassionné sur le présent et l'avenir du Rwanda.

    En revanche, tant qu'il est vu ou catalogué comme un sujet polémique, tant qu'il présente un aspect partisan et exclusif, il sera davantage exposé aux critiques les plus négatives et les plus virulentes. Enfin, des incidents qui accompagnent ce dispositif sont aussi loin à faire penser que « Rwanda-Days » offre réellement le meilleur de lui-même.

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    Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

     

    Bwana KOTA se, nshimye ko nterekera kiriya kizimu cu'umwana w'umuhungu wibereye i Tingi-tingi akanga akantera. None se iki Kizimu kitwa KOTA cyo ndakibandirwa iza hehe?

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    Envoyé le : Vendredi 2 octobre 2015 16h05
    Objet : FW: [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

     
    Hee bwana Bangamwabo, uzigore usome neza diskuru ya Madamu Ingabire wa FDU ku Rwibutso rwa Gisozi utibagiwe n'imanza zayikozweho muli rukiko rw'ikirenga (cour supreme) rwa Rwanda. Nurangiza kubisoma ukunva ugifite ibidasobanutse bijyanye n'iki kibazo cyawe cya cyambere, ubwo uzatubwire tugusobanulire.  Twizeye ko  na Bwana Nzinink azatugoboka kugira ngo tugusobanulire nk'aba professa babikwiye, batali bamwe intore zirwa ziha urwamenyo zibita ba the best docta  kuko ngo zamaze kabina imiti. 

    Naho kuby'uyu mwana w'umuhungu, ni akumiro wagushije! Kuko tuzi, kandi nabo barabyivugira, ko inkotanyi zidahusha iyo zirasa, ni ntyoza. Ubwo rero uyu muhungu yalishwe ntashiti. Ahubwo ikizimu cye nicyo cyahingutse aho uba, kigutera ubwoba. 
    Muvandimwe rero, fata umuheha (pipe) uwukoze muli divayi, usome umire gake agasigaye mu muheha ugatonyangilize mu ziko (cyangwa kuli cooker), ugira uti "Seka gororoka, tanga amahoro!". Hanyuma  unalilimbe ya ndilimbo ya Bwana Kizito Mihigo wo mu Bufundu yise ''Igisobanuro cy'urupfu", icyo kizimu nturongera kukibona ngo uhahamuke wibaza byinshi. 


     

    To: fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; nzinink@yahoo.com; cnnsengi@yahoo.fr
    From: fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr
    Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:00:52 +0000
    Subject: Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

     

    Ese bwana KOTA, iyo uvuze abacikacumu n'abanyarwanda basanzwe, ubatandukanya gute?
    Ejo hari umwana w'umuhungu ( ariko afite 37 ans...) yagenze amahanga agera za Tingi-tingi, inkotanya imurasaho arashibuka aribira yuburukira Bangui none ageze ino.
    Yaravugaga ati jye ndi Umucikacumu. Urumva avuga ukuli cyangwa arashinyagura?

    De : "kota venant kotakori@hotmail.com [fondationbanyarwanda]" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>
    À : "fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>; "haguruka@yahoogroups.com" <haguruka@yahoogroups.com>; "nzinink@yahoo.com" <nzinink@yahoo.com>; "cnnsengi@yahoo.fr" <cnnsengi@yahoo.fr>
    Envoyé le : Jeudi 1 octobre 2015 16h29
    Objet : [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

     
    Murakoze muvandimwe Nzinink.
    Amahanga nyine azi ibyo yakoze hamwe n'inkotanyi (iliya link twerekanye ni preuve y'ibyo koko). Noneho iyo umuntu avuze ku by'iwacu mu bulyo bunyuranya n'ugushaka kw'inkotanyi, RPF ihita imubonamo umwanzi kabombo.
    Ikamufunga/ikamwica iyo ali mu Rwanda; ikamuhiga inamuhigisha iyo ali hanze, igakoresha rero baliya bayishyigikiye ikamubasaba. Noneho ayo mahanga agashora imanza-matiku (ntatinya ndetse no gusubira mu zaciwe azigoreka) ashaka ubulyo yamutanga ngo agaragaze ubushuti magara kwa RPF  hakagerekwaho kandi ko ali n'ubulyo bwo kwikiza imhunzi yaje kuyagagaza no kulya ibyayo. 
    Nguwo umutego Prof Munyakazi n'abandi benshi mu banyarwanda balimo. Ngibyo ibituma imanza zarabaye uruduca hose, ntabwo rwose ali urukundo, imhuhwe cyangwa se ubumuntu budasanzwe amahanga afitiye abanyarwanda. Aliko nta joro lidacya, bizashira haganze ukuli nkuko abicishije Galileya bayoyotse we akaba aterekerwa nk'umuhanga w'isi.  

    Naho ibyo Ambasada J M Ndagijimana avuga, ni byo:  ni twe abanyarwanda ubwacu twagize ubwugugu, ishyali, ubuliganya n'ubuswa turoha igihugu cyacu mu ntambara n'ibyo ibyara byose. Twararwishigishiye twese, Hutu na Tutsi! Kandi ntacyo twungutse na gito mu mitegekere y'igihugu (dore commission iliho iliga uko  ibyo kwa Habyarimana twabigarura): ntibibuza abapfa gupfa haba mu nkotanyi, haba mu bacikacumu, haba no mu bandi banyarwanda basanzwe. Naho propagande yo nta cyahindutse iracyali imwe ya "Nzaguherekeza Habyarimana". 


     


    To: fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr
    From: haguruka@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:10:29 -0400
    Subject: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

     

    Komera Kota,

    Reka twiganirire mu rurimi rwa Gihanga ni rwo nishyikira ho cyane.
    Iriya nyandiko wandangiye nari nsanzwe nyizi. Icyo nayivuga ho ni uko idasubiza impungenge zanjye n'iza Nsengiyumva ku byerekeye amabanga u Rda na Amerika byaba bifitanye ku byerekeye amahano yagwiriye uRda, ayo mabanga akaba ashobora kuba ari mu bituma Prof Munyakazi atotezwa.

    Iriya nyandiko wandangiye kandi nta gishya njye yanyunguye. Icyo igamije mbere na mbere ni ugukingira ikibaba amahanga. Ntigaragaza ukuri kwose ku byabaye mu Rwanda, cyane cyane ukuntu bimwe mu bihugu by'ibihangange byashyigikiye Inkotanyi.

    Ibintu njye uko mbibona biteye bitya:

    -nta na rimwe biriya bihugu bizigera byemera ko byashyigikiye Inkotanyi;
    -biriya bihugu ntibizigera kandi byivuguruza ngo bivuge ko ubwicanyi bwabaye mu Rda atari genocide yakorewe abatutsi;
    -k'ubw'amahirwe ubwicanyi bwibasiye abahutu (mu Rda no muri Congo) na bwo buzagera aho bwitabwe ho maze ababwijanditse mo bisobanure imbere y'amategeko.

    Ni yo mpamvu, nk'uko Amb. JMV Ndagijimana yabivuze mu minsi yashize, abanyarwanda ntitwagombye guhora twitakana amahanga. Ni twe ubwacu (abahutu n'abatutsi) mbere na mbere tugomba kwibaza tukisubiza tugafata n'ingamba nyazo zikumira ariya mahano: nibyo koko twarateranywe ari ko natwe ubwacu ntitukibagirwe ko twatereranye abacu tukanatsembana.

    "It is true that we were abandoned. But we abandoned our people, and massacred our own people," Jean-Marie Vianney Ndagijimana, Rwanda's ambassador to Paris during the genocide, said during the review. "Primary responsibility for the genocide, and the crimes that accompanied it, must be borne by us, Rwandans. We must accept that fact before we make accusations against the international community."

    Pour votre info:

    International Decision Making in the Age of Genocide: Rwanda 1990–94


     

    From: "kota venant kotakori@hotmail.com [fondationbanyarwanda]" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>
    To: "cnnsengi@yahoo.fr" <cnnsengi@yahoo.fr>; "fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>; "nzinink@yahoo.com" <nzinink@yahoo.com>; "cliir2004@yahoo.fr" <cliir2004@yahoo.fr>; "corwabel@gmail.com" <corwabel@gmail.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:23 AM
    Subject: FW: [fondationbanyarwanda] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

     
    Dear netters, we wonder why do people still ask the hen's teeth when its mouth has been widely opened?  
    Sir Nzinink, you have nothing to "totally agree with sir Nsengiyunva''. If you were performing other duties, please now open this link and read what is officially known/revealed:  http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB472/ ! The information may allow you to better understand that something common between both powers about the 1994 hell over Rwanda. 
    Prof Munyakazi and other likes who dare pointing out seen difficulties in the complicated history of conflict in Rwanda are in a sinking boat and have nothing else or more to do. Only to hope in and pray God for he be ready to receive their soul in paradise!   









    And Ndumunyarwanda policy would be telling people that there is/was no ethnic divide in Rwanda [official government policy)!



    To: cnnsengi@yahoo.fr; uRwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com
    From: fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr
    Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:29:46 -0400
    Subject: [fondationbanyarwanda] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

     

    "It is clear to me, that there is something the US government and Rwandan authorities have in common, about the 1994 hell over Rwanda.  It has nothing to do with justice. And it is what accounts for the deportation of Prof Munyakazi", Celestin Nsengiyumva.

    I totally agree with you.
    From: Nsengiyumva Celestin <cnnsengi@yahoo.fr>
    To: "uRwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com" <uRwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com>; Nzinink <nzinink@yahoo.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 8:43 AM
    Subject: Re: [uRwanda_rwacu] Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

    Something is amiss. If there is no ethnic divide [official government policy; Prof Munyakazi, Father Nahimana], then there was no genocide. It was some sort of national madness. In that case, even the government of Rwanda, while prosecuting genocide deniers, is itself in a situation of genocide denial.   And now, Prof Munyakazi is facing a situation of justice denial.
    It is clear to me, that there is something the US government and Rwandan authorities have in common, about the 1994 hell over Rwanda.  It has nothing to do with justice.And it is what accounts for the deportation of Prof Munyakazi.
     


    Le Lundi 28 septembre 2015 22h28, "Nzinink nzinink@yahoo.com [uRwanda_rwacu]" <uRwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :


     

    Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

    Submitted by Ann Garrison on Sat, 09/26/2015 - 21:09

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      KPFA Weekend News, 09.26.2015
      Dr. Léopold Munyakazi has been denied an emergency stay of his extradition to Rwanda. Father Thomas Nahima says that this is unjust because Dr. Munyakazi has committed no crime.
      Transcript: 
      KPFA Weekend News Anchor Sharon Sobotta: Dr. Léopold Munyakazi is in the custody of ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, altDr. Léopold Munyakazi, a former French professor at Gaucher collegein Miami, Florida, where he is on the verge of being deported to Rwanda for alleged crimes related to the 1994 massacres that came to be known as the Rwandan Genocide. This week a court denied his request for an emergency stay so that he could complete the appeals process.
       
      The Rwandan government accused Professor Munyakazi of genocide crime after he made several speeches to university audiences in which he said that the Rwandan massacres were not genocide but class conflict.
       
      KPFA's Ann Garrison spoke to Father Thomas Nahimana about the Munyakazi case. Nahimana is a Catholic priest who plans to return from France to Rwanda in 2016 to challenge incumbent President Paul Kagame in the 2017 election.
       
      KPFA/Ann Garrison: Dr. Léopold Munyakazi, a former French professor at Goucher College, is close to being deported from the U.S., back to Rwanda, for giving several speeches in which he described the massacres as class conflict, not ethnic conflict. He said that Rwandans are the same people, speaking the same language and sharing the same culture. So the Hutu Tutsi conflict was really a class divide, not an ethnic divide. What do you think of that?
       
      Father Thomas Nahimana: Yes. I think that I agree with Munyakazi. I agree very much with him. And the division between Hutu and Tutsi, it is not a matter of blood. It is a matter of political and social interests only.
       
      But this is not a sin. This is not a crime. I don't understand why America accepts that Munyakazi has to face the problem that he is facing nowadays. 
       
      This is analysis which is good, which is good about our society. 
       
      KPFA: Well, when I began to try to understand this, I thought, "You speak the same language. You have the same culture. How am I supposed to understand this Hutu Tutsi divide as ethnic?" 
       
      Nahimana: Yes. The reality is that in our country, we are one people. Yes, we speak the same language. We marry each other, and the problems rise only when there is power to share. The international community must know that really, Hutu and Tutsi, it is not a problem of blood. It is only a problem of economic and political interests only. 
       
      KPFA: That would be a really radical change in the way the world thinks about Rwanda because we're commonly told that the U.S. needs to go to war, as in Libya or Syria, to stop genocide, as we failed to in Rwanda. Could you comment on that? 
       
      Nahimana: I think the problem of Rwandan Genocide is always complicated because the genocide happened when there was a civil war since four years. So, there was a part who wanted to win the war and to take power. And that part was RPF led by Paul Kagame. They didn't want anyone to intervene to stop that. That's true. They wanted to take power. The international community hasn't any fault. I can say that because we know, by history, that RPF wrote letters to the UN saying that they didn't want anybody to intervene.
       
      When they talk about genocide, they speak only about what happened in the part that was governed by the former government of Habyarimana, but they never talk about what was happening in the part where it was RPF. 
       
      KPFA: OK, you're talking about the areas that were RPF territory. The violence and atrocities that took place in territory controlled by the RPF - the winners - that's not reported. 
       
      Nahimana: Yes, and we are asking ourselves why the international community continues to keep a blind eye to the atrocities committed by the RPF, and that is a big problem for reconciliation in Rwanda.
       
      KPFA: And that was Father Thomas Nahimana speaking about the extradition case of former Goucher College French professor Dr. Léopold Munyakazi. Munyakazi's lawyer and supporters say that he will not recant his description of the Rwandan massacres as a class conflict because too many lives in the African Great Lakes Region depend on truth being told.

      For Pacifica, KPFA and AfrobeatRadio, I'm Ann Garrison. 
       


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